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As europe now knows people have turned their backs on EVS which are ok for short around town journeys and with the weight of the cars now being charged road charging as they damage the roads more. They to me are like glorified large mobility scooters with batteries that are not only too expensive but not fit for purpose for disabled people with heavy charging cables and a lot of chargers with no overhead covers from the weather and access problems for wheelchair users quite frankly ridiculous but the Evangelist’s will come on here keep on saying why they want to buy pure rubbish cars with so many electrical problems and made by a quite frankly non free society just beggars belief is it it me do you guys not get angry that only motability supports this rubbish and soon no other fueled cars will be on the scheme it is very worrying. And with the anti pollution brigade like Ed Millilibilly at the helm heaven help us with petrol and new fuels which are more green coming and the combustion engine anti pollution measures these cars now are cleaner than ever we are being brainwashed into accepting pure drivel which people are now like europe and the manufactures now know we are not buying it.
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All i can do is give my real world experience, I make a number of 800km trips each year, each time I save over £50 on fuel. Like for like car, x1 diesel to ix1 ev. So each way im saving £50+. Probably more now due to feel increases.
So it’s a no brainer to me and most right minded folk
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If I come off the scheme I will buy a used EV, if I stay on the scheme my next vehicle will be a EV, to date I have had 2 PHEV on the scheme, would have happily gone for another PHEV but the AP’s are far to high.
A 3 year old EV is a compelling second hand buy. The bulk of the depreciation is done, in all likelihood it has been a lease car, so well maintained and the ongoing maintenance and tyres etc is lower that ICE vehicles. Battery may be a worry but some manufacturers offer long battery warranties.
Im so glad i no longer have to queue at a petrol station for fuel. Driving an EV is so relaxing not listening for some strange rattle from the engine bay…wondering if my DPF is going to get stuffed.
Maybe I’m just lucky, but in almost 45 years of driving ICE cars I’ve never queued for more than a few minutes (usually not at all) and it’s always taken way less time than recharging an EV! I’ve also never had strange rattles or dpf issues, but I’m only going on my experience having driven well over half a million miles 🤔
Im so glad i no longer have to queue at a petrol station for fuel. Driving an EV is so relaxing not listening for some strange rattle from the engine bay…wondering if my DPF is going to get stuffed.
Maybe I’m just lucky, but in almost 45 years of driving ICE cars I’ve never queued for more than a few minutes (usually not at all) and it’s always taken way less time than recharging an EV! I’ve also never had strange rattles or dpf issues, but I’m only going on my experience having driven well over half a million miles
I’ve definitely remember queuing for fuel the main one was around the 2000 petrol crisis which lasted quite a few weeks and before that the late 1970’s 3 day week.
As to strange rattles, yep definitely, mind you I drive old Landrovers 😂
@Fastbike1000 Ah yes, I remember the tanker driver strike around 2000. Thankfully I managed to get through it and was lucky enough to be passing a petrol station when they had just reopened. They limited fuel to (from memory) something like £30, but after putting that in I simply joined the queue again 😂 Thankfully that was a one off, although I appreciate that it could happen again. That being said, all the power cuts of the 1970s (which I also remember) wouldn’t have been too clever had EVs existed back then!
What strikes me with this thread is all the polite, well-reasoned replies that don’t hurt your head when trying to read them.
Personally, our “glorified large mobility scooter” has been a positive game changer for us and we’d definitely have another. Nobody is disputing that EVs aren’t for everyone, but please @on_the_spectrum, stop forcing your blinkered opinion on us as being the only correct view. Your post just comes across as an acrimonious rant that any Daily Mail-reading conspiracy theorist would be proud of.
I’m glad that I’ve got a bag of popcorn left over from Christmas
Wondered when Macmaster would find his way to the forum 🙂
Im so glad i no longer have to queue at a petrol station for fuel. Driving an EV is so relaxing not listening for some strange rattle from the engine bay…wondering if my DPF is going to get stuffed.
Indeed, when I pass the long queues at Costcos pumps, i do realise how bad refueling a car can be.
No matter what you do, you always get diesel on your shoes and hands, and you are pumping petrol, but diesel gets everywhere.
They used to dispense plastic gloves, but not any more.
in my veiw its all about personal circumstances.
can you charge at home overnight or not, if your still working and commuting and doing more mileage then home charging has to be available otherwise the rnning costs are too high.
if like me its low mileage short journies then something like once a week 20-80% at a public charger isnt too onerous to build into your schedule nor prohibitaviley expensive.
but they are not for everyone and i think the govt will have to kick the can further and further down the road unless they address the charger issue and sort the infrastructure out.
for me they are just another option available to me somewhere before phev and deisel but behind hybrid and petrol.
Before people dismiss something, maybe they should try one. Not just believe everything you’re sold by MSM and Macmaster & others, making a nice living from the Traffic. Yet he’s right in his latest video in the fact that everything is divide and conquer, as divided we are weaker and easier to socially engineer.
The reason certain cars are being pulled is due to EU regulations on emissions. Beforehand, they were all making smaller cars to meet those targets, which has stopped. As the levels allowed have decreased as other options have been created, BEVs. Even Aston Martin made the Cygnet at one point.
So now they are making and selling bigger, & more expensive ice cars as they make them more money selling them % percentage-wise. Thus, culling larger-engine, smaller cars and only offering them with an engine that complies, i.e the 1.0 litre or even smaller, for now.
Then, offsetting the figures with BEVs. Which are, for the purposes of the EU regs, counted as zero emissions. So they don’t receive fines. Some can also buy other companies’ surplus allowance, but that model is not sustainable. Just a temporary fix.
The UK government is doing something on top of that, as they are losing out on that revenue. which is causing a huge issue in the market in the UK, which is another reason 2nd-hand EV values are also an issue.
Each year, they need to sell more EVs than the previous year and can get fined £15k a car, I believe. So they cannot sell ICE cars to people who want them. So many are offering huge discounts on new BEV cars. So why would you buy used if you can buy new? Also then as the amount of Ice cars able to be sold reduces, demand for those cars increases, and prices rise, and some just cannot get one. It will be worse this year & the next. So many have to wait or just buy used, so again, creating more demand in that segment. This is according to the CEO of the Vertu Group. The market is broken in the UK. The whole UK is broken, and not because we left the EU. It’s all by design. The technology is coming, and the 4th industrial revolution is rolling out. By 2050, most won’t be driving cars; they’ll not be able to afford to, once everything is linked to CPI.
After all, we are in the European market. So aside from the RH drive, manufacturers aren’t going to make cars just for the UK market. Hence, adas on all new cars. But those regs are still in place and have been even before the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate was introduced. So not much will change in many respects. It’s all in place just to make you pay more. Like the sugar tax. which also reduces choice, as companies just stop selling sugar products and sell those with alternatives that the tax doesn’t apply to. So we pay less, but they make more.
They’ve made chocolate bars so small, you cannot make them smaller. So they are now reducing the amount of content. So it cannot be called chocolate anymore. The reason I mention this, is that it’s how they control our behaviours by controlling the profits of companies and sectors and making them comply. Cars are no different. All they really care about is making you pay more to them and having net zero left.
Just how they are now making some disabled drivers pay more to have some sort of quality of life, and actually also discriminating against them as they have a different type of disability than others in the process. Yet all get the higher rate of the mobility component. Surely this is against the Equality Act.
Those making these decisions are not disabled and do not know the issues we all face daily.
I got my 1st Ev in February, almost a year now. Odds are I’ll get another, but it depends on AP, and I need something no longer than 4.3m to fit on my front to charge. Just did another 300-mile round trip yesterday, and at the end of the month. We’ll be doing another that’s more like 500 miles. and it was no issue. It actually cost me less than £25 to do that trip. I spent no longer than 20 minutes charging.
I like the R5, but I won’t get one because it only charges up to 100 kW; my current car charges up to 158 kW. So 1/3 less time spent charging on the longer trips, never mind the bigger battery. Then the price. My current car was £1999 when I got it. although I paid £1249. Then increased to £5499, now it’s down to £4499 this 1/4.
The amount I’m saving by having a BEV helps me, even with the 3p tax. The £210 I’d have to pay to cover 7k miles a year adds £17.50 per month, add that to the £11.51 a month home charging costs for the last 11 months.
Is still a lot cheaper doing the short trips I generally do in an ice. So works for me. Considering in my mild hybrid in winter, I was getting 24 mpg max. Driving locally. I’d be pretty reluctant to go back to that. I don’t do too many longer trips, and that’s not really an issue. Never mind preconditioning and keeping the car cool on a hot day while, say, having lunch or visiting an appointment.
People happy the pay per mile is coming in, are deluded. As soon enough it will be put on ice also, to discourage their usage. The car driver is a cash cow for HM Treasury. So we’ll all end up paying more until we cannot afford to anymore.
I don’t care what people drive and believe in freedom of choice, but they just don’t believe in that freedom anymore. MBO didn’t fight at all for the rights of the scheme users, and guess what? Big pay rise for the CEO. The disabled shouldn’t be allowed convertibles either, what’s next, panoramic roofs? A comfortable seat or car suitable for your condition. Yet we are arguing over which mode that propels a car is better or not than another. It’s all part of the plan. The trouble with EVs is also the technology is moving pretty fast, which makes older tech obsolete and worthless or useless, like your old tablet that no app is compatible with it for anymore. Again, it’s by design, so you’re forced to buy a new one. at some point.
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What a silly, unintelligible, factually incorrect rant 🤦♂️😢
I’m not going to go over all the rubbish you spouted but just for info, my EV is my 4th since 2014 and I’m currently doing about 25k a year, that’s as a full time wheelchair user using hand controls. Long trips are a breeze, my wife has her own EV bought 2nd hand and loves it. The car is lighter than my neighbours Range Rover so maybe he needs to keep off the road instead of me?
Your post is the classic example of “tell me you know nothing about EVs without saying you know nothing”
I have no agenda, and sit on the lawn with my Pepsi Max and some crisps (not a popcorn fan).
I’m choosing an EV, purely for reducing travel costs. Yes, Motability pay for the charger (bonus), and I have a drive way that I can charge in.
I’m on the fence about the climate science, as CO² will always be a by product to produce all the parts needed for the ‘green agenda’. So I’m not going to be hypocritical about it. China has it down to an art form, and can mine and produce it much cheaper than anyone else. So all the countries have passed on their CO² cost to them.
So, I’m really not bothered by it all. I’ll get whatever ever fits my needs and reduces my overall outgoings.
Yes I have solar and a battery, as I don’t see the UK’s energy costs going down anytime soon. I’m all in it for the overall cost savings. Anything else, I’m really not that bothered.
I have ASD and thus have difficulty with social and understanding information, written and verbal. I process information in logical blocks, before I reply. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I'm wrong.
I also have a corneal visual condition, which makes me visually impaired without daytime, or daytime bulbs, among other disabilities/conditions.I have no agenda, and sit on the lawn with my Pepsi Max and some crisps (not a popcorn fan). I’m choosing an EV, purely for reducing travel costs. Yes, Motability pay for the charger (bonus), and I have a drive way that I can charge in. I’m on the fence about the climate science, as CO² will always be a by product to produce all the parts needed for the ‘green agenda’. So I’m not going to be hypocritical about it. China has it down to an art form, and can mine and produce it much cheaper than anyone else. So all the countries have passed on their CO² cost to them. So, I’m really not bothered by it all. I’ll get whatever ever fits my needs and reduces my overall outgoings. Yes I have solar and a battery, as I don’t see the UK’s energy costs going down anytime soon. I’m all in it for the overall cost savings. Anything else, I’m really not that bothered.
I tend to not read all the hype being spouted I am not a mushroom, it is hard to believe fact from fiction, they only tell what they want us to believe. Like you I am only interested in the bottom line how much, I am a big fan of EV vehicles, however, is diesels vehicles were cheaper to run like the majority of us I would switch back in a heartbeat.
I too have solar panels and battery purely because my electric bill is now zero.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Never mind cars @Abercol your wife is truly amazing. You must be very proud of her. What an incredible woman.
Yup, very proud. She’s blind and running the marathon in support of Guide Dogs. Her personal trainer was roped in to be her guide runner – he got no warning, poor soul. She applied to guide dogs as a charity runner for 2026, thinking there’s no way she’d get in as people wait years for a place, only for them to accept her the next day. At that point (September 2025) she’d not run at all. Now her long training runs are 2-2.5 hours, 9-12 miles. She’s booked in to run a couple of half marathons in Feb & March before the main event in April.
I’ve already been told that after the marathon she will switch to long distance open water swimming…and has already signed up for the triple loch quest with Go Swim with 750m as a starter over summer…sheesh.
In life, it's not who you know that's important, it's how your wife found out.
Not long back from visiting famiily for the weekend. It was snowing when I left and had been informed it had been snowing back home, so thought best to stick another £2o of diesel in (took all of 5mins with no queuing), just in case of any diversions or I got stuck over the Brecons. Thankfully all was good and I got back just as we were loosing daylight. This wouldn’t have been the case as I would have had to stop and charge for c.30 minutes, twiggling my fingers like it was the last fuel crisis, which is something not something I don’t enjpoy and wouldn’t enjoy frequently.
Yes EUrope has pushed back on ended ICE and its something the UK will have to eventually have to follow, as we are each others main export / import market, where cars are concerned and there is the risk of loosing manufacturers to a foreign country if we didn’t follow and also manufacturers can’t keep sustaining the pointless ZEV fines.
The future in europe, will probally see EV’s ownership allowed to grow naturally alongside traditional ICE/hybrid.
Hi all – I have my second EV – Elroq 85 Sportline Maxx – ordered 2nd quarter 2025 collected end of July – no longer on scheme but hopefully will return.
EV’s work for me – I have a drive and so charging for me is easy.
My reason for this post a simple fact
This morning around 8 am outside temp -4 c checked car range out of curiosity
Battery Range 56% – 143 miles and yes I did get in a very cold car as if I was about to drive so figures were an accurate current approximation.If I were really going for a drive I would have defrosted from app – usually 15 mins to do a good job of 19 in cabin and totally clear screens and mirrors – and if I wanted to have maxed range it would have been plugged in charged to max then defrost just before needing car – therefore not using any battery.
Because of my mobility issues this is a huge help for me on cold frosty mornings – I really did struggle this morning to get into a cold car and check this but I wanted to be sure of my stats.
My point – don’t have a closed mind to EVs – do your research with an open mind – not one that has already decided – you might be surprised!!
Hi all – I have my second EV – Elroq 85 Sportline Maxx – ordered 2nd quarter 2025 collected end of July – no longer on scheme but hopefully will return. EV’s work for me – I have a drive and so charging for me is easy. My reason for this post a simple fact This morning around 8 am outside temp -4 c checked car range out of curiosity Battery Range 56% – 143 miles and yes I did get in a very cold car as if I was about to drive so figures were an accurate current approximation. If I were really going for a drive I would have defrosted from app – usually 15 mins to do a good job of 19 in cabin and totally clear screens and mirrors – and if I wanted to have maxed range it would have been plugged in charged to max then defrost just before needing car – therefore not using any battery. Because of my mobility issues this is a huge help for me on cold frosty mornings – I really did struggle this morning to get into a cold car and check this but I wanted to be sure of my stats. My point – don’t have a closed mind to EVs – do your research with an open mind – not one that has already decided – you might be surprised!!
Maybe because Elroq significantly smaller than Enyaq? On my 85x I haven’t seen 100%, fully charged battery above 210 miles for donkey months.
As to the core topic, as we already discussed on many other separate chats, touching EV without ability to charge at home, using EV tariff is bravery. Especially if you drive a lot, like me – over 41,000 in just over year and a half.
Thanks to our last two governments, the electricity prices impact public chargers significantly even if you use membership, dedicated apps etc.
For comparison, without fees, apps etc. paid only €0.28 across IZIVA charging stations at France before Christmas.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)We heat up our PHEV remotely on the cold morning, nice to get into a nice warm car, no demisting, no defrosting.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
We heat up our PHEV remotely on the cold morning, nice to get into a nice warm car, no demisting, no defrosting.
Does it take any miles off the range doing that ?
We heat up our PHEV remotely on the cold morning, nice to get into a nice warm car, no demisting, no defrosting.
Does it take any miles off the range doing that ?
It does indeed. Unless you’re plugged in and it is not 07:00AM yet, then when the battery drops below 100% it will be automatically topped up.
Both BEV and PHEV (at least Mazda CX 60) use the battery for the pre-heating
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)Both BEV and PHEV (at least Mazda CX 60) use the battery for the pre-heating
Unfortunately, the Tucson PHEV doesn’t. Whils’t it has an exhaust bypass valve to heat up quickly, it doesn’t use the battery, so relies on the old fasioned method!
Kdwolf – I was going to plug the car in later as it was getting low – will set to charge to 80% on smart charge ie off peak OVO decided by 9 am tomorrow – will try to remember and let you know what the figures are if that comparison helps!
We heat up our PHEV remotely on the cold morning, nice to get into a nice warm car, no demisting, no defrosting.
Does it take any miles off the range doing that ?
It take 3-4 miles of the range hardly anything at all.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Have an Enyaq 85x, current range at 100% is around 230 miles, with heating on, heated seats and steering wheel, which isn’t too bad given the temperatures. In summer it was 300-330. Preconditioning is great and takes 4 or 5 mins to clear windscreen and heat up the cabin. I also notice it has a positive effect on consumption too. Official range is 334, I expect it to average out around the high 200´s.
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