Granny chargers

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  • #276739
    Kjid5
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      I pick my Volkswagen ID5 up a week on Saturday and although I have a home charger fitted and it comes with a fast charger cable for when I’m out and about I’d like to buy a three pin plug charger for emergencies. Volkswagen have quoted £240 for theirs am I right in thinking I can just buy one from somewhere else they seem much cheaper online

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    • #276741
      kezo
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        I’d look on ebay for a new other or used one.

        #276742
        Kjid5
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          Does it have to be VW branded do you know @kezo ? Or just any type 2 granny charger?

          #276747
          ChrisK
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            Don’t know if this is any good for VW’s but Screwfix do this one and also another that’s £20 dearer.

             

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            Just notice a lot of bad reviews for this about rain water getting into the unit.

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            #276749
            kezo
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              They are all the same.

              #276753
              Jojoe
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                Would you use it enough to save the £140 you’re going to spend in one? We thought about it but realised we’d barely use it.

                #276754
                Kjid5
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                  Good question. I visit a friend frequently who lives very rurally. I’m picturing being able to plug in overnight to at least buy me a few miles to get to a fast charger . Alternatively I am also considering what would happen if something goes wrong with my fitted charger. But you’re right both those scenarios are probably unnecessary ( ie I can charge at the motorway services 30 miles before her house or here if my charger fails I’d be able to use a neighbour’s)

                  #276755
                  Jojoe
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                    Also, a few folk say they can be dangerous, people talk of blackened plug sockets. I’m sure Kezo can advise more on the safety of them.

                    #276758
                    kezo
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                      #276760
                      Oscarmax
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                        My granny charger is still in the manufactures supplied packaging, as Kezo suggest might be worth a punt.

                        #276763
                        Avatar photoStuart
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                          I have a genuine KIA granny charger i no longer need, feel free to PM me if your interested, thats if it`s allowed of course.

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                          #276766
                          Avatar photoColin
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                            I believe the blackened sockets issue is pretty much resolved now as most granny chargers are limited well below the 13A the socket should be able to handle. Not 100% sure but I think they’re limited to 10 or 11 amps. It does reduce charge speed as a result however

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                            #276777
                            Kjid5
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                              🙂 I bought the charger off eBay @kezo recommended

                              #276781
                              MFillingham
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                                I used on for years.  The car I used it with had a smaller battery but it was still the only home charging solution I had.

                                Running off a high power rated extension lead, without coils the constant draw of high current generates heat.  I had a new plug socket fitted for it and a replacement one after just over 2 years as the connections were getting just a little loose.

                                In that time I had one extension lead melt (hence the last one was rated much higher than the car would ever draw), one plug melt thanks to heat generated over 14 hours as some idiot hung a flower basket on it (I still remind the wife about that).  However, keep it off the floor, be sensible and you should be good.  Just remember your emergency back up could take well over a day to charge your car.

                                 

                                If it was me, I’d only use it to ensure I could get somewhere to charge at a better speed.

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                                #276784
                                kezo
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                                  Also, a few folk say they can be dangerous, people talk of blackened plug sockets. I’m sure Kezo can advise more on the safety of them.

                                  I think many of problems were related to the ones you can/could adjust from 6A – 8A – 10A – 12A – 14A – 16A. Many of this type are programable for time of use.

                                  The design characteristics of bs1362 fuse’s found in plug tops are designed with a “non fusing current” and “fusing current”. This means a 13A fuse is technically capable of carrying a current 20A without blowing. Of course if there is a fault current it will blow near instananeously.

                                  The “non fusing current”, is the current the fuse is capable of carrying is 1.6 times the rated Amps (13 x 1.6 = 20.8A) for a minimum of 30 minutes.

                                  The “fusing current”, is rated at 1.9 times the rated Amps (13 x 1.9 = 24.7A), should the fusing current be exceeded, it must blow within 30 minutes of current exceeding 24.7A.

                                  The rule of thumb can be given to any bs1362 fuse.

                                  BS1363 is the standard for plug and socket outlets and have a continuous load rating. A temperature rise test is done for a minimum period of 4hrs and a maximum period of  8hrs. For example bs1363/2 1995 socket outlets were rated 14A and in 2016 somone tested it with 8A continuious, so it became 8A. In 2023 it changed again and the sockets were marked EV on the back (bs1363.2 2023) and they were rated at 13A.

                                  A double socket outlet is not rated at double the above rather 14A/6A, 13A/7A. The quality of the wiring age of the sockets also plays a part.

                                  Hopefully this highlights the problem with adustable Amps granny chargers and why people were reporting blackened plugs and/or sockets, if they had them set to high. Most avalable granny chargers available today are non adjustable and rated at 10A 2.3kW 🙂

                                  🙂 I bought the charger off eBay @kezo recommended

                                  How much did you get it for?

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  #276798
                                  Rich44
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                                    Ultimately the trouble with granny chargers aren’t the chargers themselves but like any prolonged high load they highlight any slight deficiencies in your wiring, like a broken leg on a ring main, loose wiring etc

                                    I used a granny charger for a fair while with my ZS and never had a problem I even used it with a 10m extension lead too (fully unwound) and nothing ever even got warm.

                                    However if you have a broken ring main say and other stuff on that circuit I could see you quite easily upsetting things.

                                    If going to use a granny charger a lot or going to have a charger fitted might be worth considering an electrical safety test prior as that can identify any potential issues and give peace of mind

                                    #276800
                                    Avatar photoSolymar
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                                      I’ve got myself one of these, it came recommended!

                                      https://thirdrockenergy.co.uk/products/type-2-to-uk-3-pin-plug-ev-portable-charger-6a-to-13a-variable-3kw-10-metre

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                                      #276821
                                      Avatar photoVinnie
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                                        Thankfully our Bz4x came with a granny charger as well, was useful till we got the charger fitted.

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                                        #276862
                                        comfortablynumb2
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                                          Bought this outdoor socket from Screwfix for my Phev. Electrician installing new dedicated circuit to CU. Was using another outside shared double socket (lawnmower/strimmer) but plug top on the charger lead got very hot after a few hours (wife had been using iron on same circuit inside at the same time, TV and Broadband router run off it also). This socket supposed to be more robust for longer charging.

                                          #276891
                                          Kjid5
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                                            @kezo £51 including postage I used a mate’s  account as I don’t have one any longer. Possibly a bit over the odds but seller has good feedback and I’m happier with that than the £240 VW wanted.


                                            @mfillingham
                                            it’s exactly why I wanted one, just to make sure I’ve got enough charge to get me to a fast charger. I fully intend to stay with electric cars if they keep selling them so I’m sure it’ll get some use over the years.

                                            #276901
                                            kezo
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                                              @kezo £51 including postage I used a mate’s account as I don’t have one any longer. Possibly a bit over the odds but seller has good feedback and I’m happier with that than the £240 VW wanted. @mfillingham it’s exactly why I wanted one, just to make sure I’ve got enough charge to get me to a fast charger. I fully intend to stay with electric cars if they keep selling them so I’m sure it’ll get some use over the years.

                                              For a new one, I wouldn’t grumble 🙂

                                              #276902
                                              Ele
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                                                Hi Kezo whilst on the subject do you know if one of these can be used on my Etec for instance   thanks in advance https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404954416951

                                                #276905
                                                kezo
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                                                  Hi Kezo whilst on the subject do you know if one of these can be used on my Etec for instance thanks in advance https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/404954416951

                                                  Yes it will be suitable for your ETEC mate! Its rated at 10A ,so thats good and certainly worth a go, if you can get it at the right price 🙂

                                                   

                                                  #276908
                                                  Ele
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                                                    Many thanks your a star Kezo

                                                    #276940
                                                    Will
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                                                      We purchased  “Masterplug Mode 2 EV Charge Cable 10m UK” (a Granny charger) from Halfords for £174.99. We have a plug-in hybrid and use this cable for 99% of our charging. I have to say it is very well built and works very well. No issues over the 7 months we’ve been using it (1-2 times per week). I just checked and the price has risen to £179.99 now.

                                                      #276942
                                                      Will
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                                                        P.S. I see the same Masterplug 10 m charger is currently £159.99 at Screwfix.

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