Future of PIP/disability support

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    BearHardy
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      What the Tory and Labour manifestos mean for the future of PIP and benefits
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      Both Labour and the Conservatives have set out plans to reform PIP and the benefits system

      Labour has said it has ‘long called for changes to PIP’

      May 23, 2024 8:42 am(Updated 9:07 am)

      Following the announcement that the next general election will take place on 4 July, speculation is already rife about what will be in the party manifestos.

      Labour has already made several suggestions about what the party’s plans could be for personal independence payment (PIP) and universal credit, while the Conservatives announced plans to reform many benefits in the final months before the election.

      While the exact details of the manifestos are yet to be confirmed, the announcements and plans already made by both parties will likely form a key part of the electoral offerings.

       

      Conservative plans for PIP

      Last month, the Conservative Party launched a new consultation as part of its plans to overhaul the PIP system.

      The proposed tier system would be based on a model in Norway known as “Basic Benefit”, where people are given monthly cash payments at one of six different rates, depending on the severity of their condition, their equipment and clinical needs, and other support.

      The newly published plan is just one of several options on the table as part of Rishi Sunak’s pledge to review the benefits system, which could also see people with anxiety and depression receiving less money – a move that has already prompted criticism.

      In a speech in April, the Prime Minister agued that there was a “moral underpinning” to overhauling the benefits system, with the Government warning caseloads and costs are spiralling.

      He said that he wanted the assessments to be “more precise about the type and severity of mental health conditions that should be eligible” and indicated that the recipients would have to provide a letter from their GP outlining the nature of their condition and the associated extra costs.

      The Government’s consultation document suggests it aims to extend the qualifying period for PIP to better understand the impact of long-term conditions and allow them to identify short-term illnesses from which someone can make a “full recovery”.

      Mr Sunak also said the Government wanted to assess whether to stop ongoing payments to claimants and replace them with one-off sums linked to a specific cost they have incurred to help with their condition.

       

      Conservative plans for other benefits

      Under plans announced by the Conservatives last month, those on universal credit who are not engaging in trying to find employment will see their benefits stopped entirely after 12 months.

      The Government had previously said it would crack down on people not engaging in work coach services, but this announcement confirms they would have their claim closed and all benefits removed.

      People working less than half a full-time week will also have to try and find extra work in return for claiming benefits.

      The Government also sped up the process of moving people from older so-called legacy benefits onto universal credit.

      The work capability assessment (WCA) process, which considers whether a person is fit for work, is also being tightened with the aim of ultimately replacing it.

      Ministers confirmed a previously announced commitment that people with less severe conditions will be expected to look for work rather than being ruled out of having to apply for a job.

      The Government said it remains committed to scrapping the WCA entirely and replacing it with a “new personalised, tailored approach”.

      It has previously stated that the WCA changes would apply to new claims only, with the reform coming in from 2025 onwards.

       

      Labour plans for PIP

      The Labour Party has said the welfare system would need “big changes” if the party wins the next general election, and has already set out its plans to get more disabled people into work.

      Labour MP Alison McGovern, the shadow minister for employment, has acknowledged that the welfare system would need “big changes”, with measures such as replacing job centres with more bespoke and localised support for unemployed people.

      Writing exclusively in i earlier this month, Ms McGovern said Labour had “long called for changes to PIP” and said any changes must ensure assessment decisions are more accurate as well as tackling the backlog of applications.

      But Ms McGovern added that “every aspect of the support for disabled people” must “help people get into work”.

      She also said changes to PIP must ensure assessment decisions are more accurate as well as tackling the backlog of applications.

      However, the party said that disabled people needed to be supported to get back into work, previously arguing for employment services to be better integrated with healthcare services.

       

      Labour plans for other benefits

      Ms McGovern also wrote in i last month that Labour would overhaul job centres to give people more bespoke and localised support as well as ending the “tick box culture” in order to achieve this.

      The party has also previously argued for better integrated integrate employment and healthcare services to tackle the number of people out of work due to sickness.

      “We believe in the benefits of work for everyone – we are all better off with the autonomy and self‑determination that comes from good work,” she wrote.

      “That’s as true for disabled people as it is for anyone who isn’t disabled. It’s time for a change – for a Labour government that can bring us an end to the chaos and a plan for our future.”

      Labour has said that there would be “no option of a life on benefits” if the party won power and has set out plans on how it would reduce the number of young people not in work, education or training.

      Shadow work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall used a speech in March to promise that the sickness benefits bill would fall under Labour and hinted the party would make tough changes to universal credit.

      Her predecessor Jonathan Ashworth made similar comments in January, when he said Labour would “fundamentally reform” universal credit in order to “simplify” the system and “better incentivise” people moving into work.

      He said that the party’s proposals are “part of a fundamentally different and new approach”, which he said will “prioritise well-being and security above all when helping people into work”.

      https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-labour-manifesto-pip-benefits-3070445

       

      To read:

      https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/662b7d705b89e6a356bf931a/easy-read-modernising-support-for-independent-living-health-and-disability-green-paper-accessible.pdf

       

      To fill in:

      https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/662b7d885b89e6a356bf931b/easy-read-modernising-support-for-independent-living-health-and-disability-green-paper-questionnaire-accessible.pdf

       

      ^Still needs to be filled in despite Labour coming into power.

       

      https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=6fbxllcQF0GsKIDN_ob4wy4AdhV04YtOnxNXoi82ciFUN00yS0lJSTgzOVNaUzI1TVpYRkZGN1RUQSQlQCN0PWcu

       

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    • #279227
      BearHardy
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        #279228
        BearHardy
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          DWP PIP update over fears Motability scheme will be ‘eradicated’

          The DWP has announced plans to overhaul PIP payments by scrapping the fixed cash benefit system in favour of “tailored support” in the form of vouchers, grants and shopping catalogues

          A disability charity has voiced concerns over the government’s plans to overhaul Personal Independence Payment (PIP) by scrapping its monthly cash payments. The Department for Work and Pensions is considering a shift from direct financial support to providing “tailored support” through vouchers, grants, and shopping catalogues intended for therapy, treatment, and other essential expenses.

          The Motability Foundation, known for offering grants for vehicles and driving lessons as well as operating a scheme that allows disabled individuals to lease new cars, scooters, or wheelchairs using their benefits, has pledged to work closely with the DWP to assess the impact of these significant changes. This scheme is available to those receiving the higher rate mobility components of PIP, Disability Living Allowance (DLA), or Scottish disability benefits.

          Concerns are mounting among campaigners that the proposed removal of PIPs monthly payments could potentially dismantle the Motability Scheme, crucial for enabling disabled people to access necessary transport. In response to inquiries about the potential repercussions of these reforms on its operations, a spokesperson for the Motability Foundation told BirminghamLive: “Motability Operations delivers the Motability Scheme to over 760,000 disabled people and their families, helping them access independent mobility.”

          “We are aware of the proposed consultation on Personal Independence Payment and are monitoring closely. Please be assured we will work closely with the DWP, and use our own research, informed by disabled people, to provide feedback on the likely impact of any potential policy changes that may impact Scheme customers and disabled people more widely.”

          The DWP has stated its desire for a total overhaul of the PIP system, citing significantly increased demand leading to escalating costs. The current PIP payments can reach up to £737 every four weeks which is equivalent to over £9,500 per annum, reports Birmingham Live.

          The planned reforms involve alterations to both the eligibility criteria and qualifying period, reforming PIP assessments to better align them with the claimant’s condition, and ending them entirely for those in greatest need. The DWP also plans on substituting the monthly benefit payments with one-off grants and vouchers, and catalogue shopping for appliances and services.

          Adding: “This reflects the fact that some claimants will have significant extra costs related to their disability, and others will have minimal or specific costs. While these alternative models help people with the extra costs of their disability or health condition, we know other forms of support including health care, social services care provision and respite are also important to help people to realise their full potential and live independently.”

          “We are also considering whether some people receiving PIP who have lower or no extra costs may have better outcomes from improved access to treatment and support than from a cash payment.”

          Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride remarked: “We’re making the biggest welfare reforms in a generation protecting those most in need while supporting thousands into work as we modernise our benefit system to reflect the changing health landscape.”

          “A decade on from the introduction of PIP, this Green Paper opens the next chapter of reform, enhancing the support for people with health conditions and disabilities while ensuring the system is fair to the taxpayer.”

          #279233
          kezo
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            Mel Stride will be queuing up at the job centre before any reforms are made!

            #279235
            BearHardy
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              In a statement to the House of Commons, Alison McGovern, standing in for Liz Kendall, the Shadow Work and Pensions Minister, clarified Labour’s stance on the DWP’s Green Paper proposals.

              Ms McGovern, Labour MP for Wirral South, said: “Labour will carefully review the detail of the Green Paper, because the country that we want is one where disabled people have the same right to a good job and help to get it as anyone else.

              “We will judge any measure that the government bring forward on its merits and against that principle, because the costs of failure in this area are unsustainable. The autonomy and routine of work is good for us all, for our mental and physical health-and more than that, for women, work is freedom, too.”

              Despite these comments, Ms McGovern acknowledged that the disability benefit system still faces fundamental challenges, with costs having surged since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic due to an increase in individuals deemed unable to work. Government expenditure on such benefits has soared by two-thirds, from £42.3 billion to £69 billion.

              Yet, this does not imply that the ideas presented in the Green Paper will be disregarded entirely. Benefits and Work suggested: “It’s entirely possible that Labour will also be looking to reduce the current rapidly increasing cost of PIP.”

               

              #282637
              Ele
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                {“It’s entirely possible that Labour will also be looking to reduce the current rapidly increasing cost of PIP.}

                I suggest and imo that the increase in costs came down to the uneeded setting up of PIP in the first place.

                DLA just needed a revamp imo

                Where the big money went imo was simply by

                Ignoring medical guidance and out sourcing to the expensive and failed private (mates) sector as they have done with most of the silverware

                Cruel Cruel

                Disputing thousands upon thousands of genuine claims thus resulting in DWP/tribunal costs and counless deaths

                And to top it off its now suggested going forward that perhaps things should now be kept in house and that there should be more reliance on medical advice

                wt  f

                Which omg is as it was before the introduction of PIP

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                 

                • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by Ele.
                #284476
                BearHardy
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                  From The Sunday Times article by Tony Blair titled ‘Tony Blair: My advice to Keir Starmer’:

                  “The Labour Party always wants to correct social injustice, and quite rightly. But this Labour leadership understands that without economic growth and reform of services and welfare, it will be unable to do so.”

                  #284510
                  Rich44
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                    It’s looking increasingly likely we’re going to still be on the receiving end of a right shafting.

                    The consultation suggests having some kind of “Argos” catalogue to choose stuff from. One off grants and submitting receipts.

                    Not like I paid taxes into this system or anything. Can just imagine electricity bill comes in and you spend a week on the phone trying to get thru begging for a grant.

                    They also suggest a system based on condition not how it affects you. So they’re saying everyone with MS is the same. I’ve never read such unbelievable naive stupid prejudiced BS ever. Which intimate that without a condition to put on the form you can’t claim. So all those disabled and not formally diagnosed will be screwed.

                    Thought things would be different but it does seem that we’re going to be the target of both sides. I think it’s hilarious that they think a voucher for treatment somewhere is the answer, where? Where are these magical appts going to come from? What treatments? How are you going to make stuff available for rural residents not just inner cities.

                    By doing this they will just drive costs up as you’re adding another layer of bureaucracy between us and help. This will be atos allover again or Eden red with free school meal vouchers it’s all abputpaying their mates to run it and can you imagine how much equipment will go up in price with these vouchers it’ll be like robbing an insurance company.

                    I suggest everyone makes their feelings known via the consultation and their MP. I will wager there’ll be suicides over the withdrawal of money support

                    • This reply was modified 1 week ago by Rich44.
                    #284525
                    BearHardy
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                      @Rich44

                      I totally agree with you.

                      Everyone needs to let their MPs know & more importantly fill in the consultation form before the 22nd of this month.

                      #284526
                      BearHardy
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                        It is likely to concern disabled activists and claimants that three of the countries chosen by ministers appear to provide a less generous system, or at least offer less control to disabled claimants over their support.

                        In Switzerland, for example, there is a “helplessness allowance” designed to contribute towards extra costs, but it is awarded “only in exceptional circumstances”, while in New Zealand the equivalent to PIP is means-tested and reaches a maximum of only £34 a week, and in Australia disabled people must provide receipts to prove they have spent their funding on goods, services and other support related to their disability-related needs.

                        #284527
                        BearHardy
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                          #284528
                          BearHardy
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                            Appeared in the Mirror & Daily Record on the 8th of this month,  after the General Election:

                            While the Labour party’s manifesto remains silent on the Department for Work and Pensions’ (DWP) Conservative-led plans to curb the ballooning PIP expenses with a major overhaul, including potentially swapping cash payments for vouchers for specific equipment and treatment, Labour insiders have hinted they’ll review the public’s response to these proposals after the consultation wraps up on July 22, which falls three weeks post-election.

                            #284532
                            kezo
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                              Time running out to challenge PIP vouchers as Labour stay silent
                              PUBLISHED: 09 JULY 2024
                              The consultation on plans to replace personal independence payment (PIP) with vouchers or a catalogue ends on 22 July, with Labour so far showing no signs of disowning the proposals.  Benefits and Work is urging readers to have their say before it is too late.

                              As most readers will be aware, the Conservatives published a Green Paper on the future of PIP in April 2024.  Amongst the proposals were suggestions that instead of regular cash payments, PIP could be replaced with:

                              A catalogue/shop scheme
                              A voucher scheme
                              A receipt based system
                              One-off grants

                              Labour failed to condemn these proposals in the run-up to the general election and have continued to remain silent since gaining power, even though there is now no risk of them losing votes by speaking out.

                              According to the Mirror:

                              “Labour insiders have hinted they’ll review the public’s response to these proposals after the consultation wraps up on July 22, which falls three weeks post-election.”

                              Labour have also said nothing about planned changes to the work capability assessment (WCA) from 2025, that would lead to an estimated 424,000 claimants losing over £400 a month.

                              Ten leading charities, including:

                              Child Poverty Action Group
                              Disability Rights UK
                              Joseph Rowntree Foundation
                              Mind
                              Save the Children
                              have written to Liz Kendall, secretary of state for work and pensions.  They have asked her to halt the proposed changes to the WCA and to PIP and replace them with plans that are “redesigned with disabled people at the centre.”

                              So far, there has been no response.

                              You can find out more about the changes to PIP and how to take part in the consultation here.

                              https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/time-running-out-to-challenge-pip-vouchers

                              #284546
                              Rich44
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                                Please fill it in it’s 6 pages it takes awhile but it’s important AND please email your MP.

                                Contact details for MPs can be found here

                                https://www.theyworkforyou.com/

                                This is an existential threat to us, our lives, our families and our freedom it’s even been stated that this could lead to Motability being dismantled it’s that serious

                                #284685
                                onelegleft
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                                  Unfortunately, PIP, as a non-means tested benefit is unpopular with the public. Although I have a very obvious physical disability, I tell the nosey neighbours that I have a “lease” when a shiny new car appears on the drive every three years. I never tell anyone I get PIP as I really don’t trust people. I hear a lot of negative comments about ‘free cars’ all the time. Politicians know this and getting rid of PIP/Motability is low hanging fruit. I’ve just renewed my MB contract and won’t be surprised if it’s my last. The one caveat is that they may go after the non-physical disabilities first as ‘one legged man left with no car’ doesnt sound great I suppose. I’ll sign the consultation doc but I really don’t expect it to get a whole lot of support from the public.

                                  #284687
                                  Rich44
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                                    Doesn’t need support from the public it’s about those with an interest doing so. The public largely don’t fill in any of these things unless it affects them.

                                    I think you over estimate that people actually care either way. Before I needed it i never really gave it much thought

                                    #284688
                                    onelegleft
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                                      Doesn’t need support from the public it’s about those with an interest doing so. The public largely don’t fill in any of these things unless it affects them. I think you over estimate that people actually care either way. Before I needed it i never really gave it much thought

                                      You misunderstand me. Politicians will do what they think they can get away with. I’m just not expecting much of an outcry when Motability gets scrapped. It’s an easy win for Labour who’ll claim they’re merely providing more ‘focused’ help for PWDs.

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