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In the summer we regularly see 58/60 miles EV with our Suzuki Across PHEV, over the last month we have seen that drop to 53 miles, now that the temperatures have dropped preheating the Suzuki, heating on 22 degrees C, aircon on, seats and steering wheel on, now seeing 42 EV mile range, preheating takes 3 to 4 miles off the range.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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Sounds perfectly reasonable – with Mazda CX-60 PHEV there was a drop of 10 miles or so in a winter (heated seats, heated wheel, etc. ).
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
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Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)When fully charged, our Tucson PHEV shows an EV range of 38/39 miles. It never achieves that, as the range drops to around 35 miles when I’ve driven just 1 mile from home. In the summer I get around 32-35 miles and last winter, from memory, it fell to around the mid to high 20s.
What I have noticed is that the last 10 miles goes very quickly – way faster than the mileage shown, and if that’s on a motorway that happens even in the summer. For example, I go somewhere once a week that is 30 miles each way, of which 25 miles is on the motorway. On the outward run I put the car in ‘Automatic’ mode, so I still have around 25 miles EV range when I get there. Staring the return journey with 25 miles I should be able to run in EV mode for all but the last 5 miles, but at motorway speed of mid 70s mph the EV range is fully depleted when I still have 10-12 miles of the journey left.
I find that preheating to anything over 19 to be a waste of energy and makes the car far too hot to be comfortable, it won’t defrost it any better and you’re already well wrapped up before getting in (what temp do people keep their houses at that you’ve just stepped out of…?)
I know that some people do suffer from the cold so need it extra warm, they are different so my comment isn’t for them
Going by today ferrying daughter to a fro today (20 miles total), which was enough set my Raynauds off, so didn’t go anywhere else. Just checked and have 14 miles range left
Our 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 PHEV had the same size battery as your vehicle Kezo, in the summer 28/30 at the current temperature 14/15 miles with the heating on, just goes to show how things have advance in the past few years.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Going by today ferrying daughter to a fro today (20 miles total), which was enough set my Raynauds off, so didn’t go anywhere else. Just checked and have 14 miles range left
But will you get those full 14 miles? As mentioned in my post, my last 14 miles disappears in half that mileage if on a motorway at mid 70s! I almost never achieve the full EV range that the car displays, but a lot of my mileage is motorways. It’s better on A & B roads, which I think is where you do most of your journeys?
But will you get those full 14 miles?
Driving locally I’d say yes, driving at speed on a run no.
Our 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 PHEV had the same size battery as your vehicle Kezo, in the summer 28/30 at the current temperature 14/15 miles with the heating on, just goes to show how things have advance in the past few years.
Looking at it in comparison with the Across, which has 0.5 kW more useable battery, I’d say it’s sh!t and Hyundai sill has alot to learn😂
Our 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 PHEV had the same size battery as your vehicle Kezo, in the summer 28/30 at the current temperature 14/15 miles with the heating on, just goes to show how things have advance in the past few years.
Looking at it in comparison with the Across, which has 0.5 kW more useable battery, I’d say it’s sh!t and Hyundai sill has alot to learn😂
@Kezo You understand these things far more than me, so a question for you. The latest BMW X5 PHEV has a 25.7 KWh battery which claims an EV range of 61-64 miles, although reviewers say it’s more like 50 miles. My question is this – how long would that battery take to charge on a 3 pin granny charger from fully depleted to full? Thanks.Over 10 hours
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Our 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 PHEV had the same size battery as your vehicle Kezo, in the summer 28/30 at the current temperature 14/15 miles with the heating on, just goes to show how things have advance in the past few years.
Looking at it in comparison with the Across, which has 0.5 kW more useable battery, I’d say it’s sh!t and Hyundai sill has alot to learn😂
The Outlander has a usable 10.5 kWh the Across usable 14.5 kWh
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
@Kezo You understand these things far more than me, so a question for you. The latest BMW X5 PHEV has a 25.7 KWh battery which claims an EV range of 61-64 miles, although reviewers say it’s more like 50 miles. My question is this – how long would that battery take to charge on a 3 pin granny charger from fully depleted to full? Thanks.
25.7 / 2.3 = 11.2 hours not including any losses.
The Outlander has a usable 10.5 kWh the Across usable 14.5 kWh
The extra range you get from 0.7kWh is remarkable, based on the Tucson having 13.8kWh battery.
The Outlander has a usable 10.5 kWh the Across usable 14.5 kWh
The extra range you get from 0.7kWh is remarkable, based on the Tucson having 13.8kWh battery.
The Outlander battery is 13.8 kWh (10.5 kWh usable) the Across 18.5 kWh (14.5 kWh usable) my understanding the Tuscon PHEV 13.8 kWh battery has a 11 kWh usable battery range.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
The Outlander battery is 13.8 kWh (10.5 kWh usable) the Across 18.5 kWh (14.5 kWh usable) my understanding the Tuscon PHEV 13.8 kWh battery has a 11 kWh usable battery range.
Charging on Octopus Go for 5hrs tonight, it put in 11.5kW and it will charge to full or very near because of the 14mile range left and the battery guage is above quarter full.
If the battery guage is at 20%, when I charge it, it will be about 3/4 full after 5hrs, so it would need more tham 11.5kW to charge it to full.
The reserve lets say for it becoming a full hybrid, so your never on ICE only is typically at 20% on the guage, but can go as low as 15% or a tad lower depending on how your driving, with the lowest I have seen it at is 12%, so there is no dynamic guaranteed cut off % befor it switches to hybrid.
There is a 11kWh figure thats come from somewhere (autocar) and is discussed on the Tucson forums and several have mentioned putting 13.8-14kWh on Hypervolt and Pod Point chargers. Even with any loss or 0.5 meter innacuracy, it’s still be higher than 11kW put in, but who knows lol.
Ok, I measure mine from the Podpoint APP which includes losses. The biggest killer over the cold snap is preheating, I could not let my wife getting cold now she is out of hospital. Now it has warmer up a few degrees I should be back to 49/50 miles with the heating on.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Ok, I measure mine from the Podpoint APP which includes losses. The biggest killer over the cold snap is preheating, I could not let my wife getting cold now she is out of hospital. Now it has warmer up a few degrees I should be back to 49/50 miles with the heating on.
Don’t have that option mate with the Tucson, as it requires the engine on high tickover for provding heat and adopts a bypass valve so the cabin heats up along with engine. Therefore in the winter the engine is required and often running at high tickover (1100rpm) till the set temperature is met, then once residule heat is used the engines back on again. I don’t find the heat produced is as warm as an ICE.
Preheating requires the old method 😂
Ok, I measure mine from the Podpoint APP which includes losses. The biggest killer over the cold snap is preheating, I could not let my wife getting cold now she is out of hospital. Now it has warmer up a few degrees I should be back to 49/50 miles with the heating on.
Don’t have that option mate with the Tucson, as it requires the engine on high tickover for provding heat and adopts a bypass valve so the cabin heats up along with engine. Therefore in the winter the engine is required and often running at high tickover (1100rpm) till the set temperature is met, then once residule heat is used the engines back on again. I don’t find the heat produced is as warm as an ICE. Preheating requires the old method 😂
Thankfully I don’t need to worry about pre-heating, as the car is always garaged overnight so I never have frost etc to worry about and it doesn’t get as cold as being parked outside, but I agree about the heating in general on the Tucson. I have to crank the temperature right up to warm the cabin. Like many things, I don’t find the climate control to be anywhere as near as good (heating or cooling) as previous BMWs, but I just assumed that was a Hyundai thing. I hadn’t considered that it was because it was a PHEV.
Thanks for the info on the charging time for the X5. Sounds like it would be possible to fully recharge overnight then, which I had wondered. If buying used I’d get an ICE one, but if I go down the new car route (with the VAT knocked off) then the PHEV potentially makes more sense, not that I’m massively keen on another PHEV.
I hadn’t considered that it was because it was a PHEV.
I have mine set at 21.5c any higher than 22c, I find starves it of heat quickly and it goes hunting for heat by turning the engine on, but by time it’s done so I find the cabin has cooled down and always rely on heated seats & wheel as a backup. If you go searching, even on here you will find EV’s can’t meet the heat high demand temerature settings, so they have to lower the temperature and similar to wet underfloor heating, its a low and slow aproach.
The cynic in me, thinks all this evolution of technology comfort has gone by the wayside and we all have to dress like we skiing in the Alps. We have all had ICE and know for well they can’t be beaten on providing heat however, some now see that form of heat, as wasteful and bad for the climate, but us humans won’t stop the interglacial period and what comes next, but it’s a very good money racket and if at all leaders were serious, they would have been outraged at the cutting down of part of the rainforest, to build a road to COP30 and would have conducted meetings on teams and not took a jolly on a private jet. I could go on..
As for your aircon, it probably needs topping up like mine did.
The neighbour 2 doors up has a Toyota CH-R PHEV with a 13.5 kWh battery is has the 5th generation system as opposed to the 4th generation fitted to our car despite having a smaller 13.5 kWh compared to our 18.5 kWh he is reporting very similar EV figures to our Suzuki.
Bad news his heater packed up the other day they have lent his a Toyota Yaris Crossover Hybrid.
With the Outlander PHEV we drove around like 2 eskimos in the winter.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
The neighbour 2 doors up has a Toyota CH-R PHEV with a 13.5 kWh battery is has the 5th generation system as opposed to the 4th generation fitted to our car despite having a smaller 13.5 kWh compared to our 18.5 kWh he is reporting very similar EV figures to our Suzuki. Bad news his heater packed up the other day they have lent his a Toyota Yaris Crossover Hybrid. With the Outlander PHEV we drove around like 2 eskimos in the winter.
Smaller car, smaller battery vs bigger car, bigger battery = near identical range?
I suffer from severe Raynauds, so need to be warm when driving. The Tucson heating is very similar to my mums Kona with heatpump, so it has been a good test going forward beyond 2030/35, but for now, I have sport mode which helps with the heating if I find it’s getting too chilly. Come 2030, I will be 63, 68, if the date moves to 2035 if hybrid diesels are sold, so by my calculations of a new car lasting 15-20 years if looked after, a diesel will see me through🤣
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