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Given the huge enthusiasm for EVs amongst many contributors to this forum, I’m staggered that it’s taken 24 hours from when this story broke until it hit the forum 😂
Whilst it’s inevitable that charging per mile would have to come for EVs (the government has to replace the lost fuel duty somehow) I am amazed that they are looking to introduce it so soon.
Private motorists are already shunning EVs, due to high up front costs, crippling depreciation, high insurance costs, range concerns and, of course, the fact that if you can’t charge at home (which millions of motorists can’t) then they aren’t currently practical or cost effective.
The government is already starting to fall behind on the EV targets and the shortfall will get worse each year as the targets ramp up. The European car industry is in turmoil, with far fewer people buying new cars, due the fact that the consumers that want an EV are turning to cheap(er) Chinese ones and those who don’t are just keeping their ICE cars longer and longer.
So, what can this inept government do to make all of the above easier for consumers and the car industry? Yep. Say that you are going to impose a tax on EVs so that there’s yet another reason for people not to want them. I’d say it was unbelievable, but…..
Of course, everything is speculation until the budget, but the Telegraph is confidently saying that it’s a definite. We shall find out on 26th.
I think we all new it would come eventually, when the government new it would loose not only VAT on fuel, but also fuel duty.
We’ll give you scrapage, subside and won’t charge this or that, then the penny drops when they realise there’s no money coming in, it almost reminds me of when the government said diesel’s were better!
I didn’t think to post – at least, not till its a reality. In any case, it’s been on the cards for years, falling fuel duty revenues must be filled by something. It will get more expensive too over time, 3p today, 7p or more by 2030 I think.
Perhaps one way to bolster EV sales – impose the rate on everyone. Tried the carrot to shift to EV, now here’s the stick…
It does raise affordability questions, especially now longer range plug-in hybrids exist, we could get by happy with a plug-in that did 60 or more miles electric & decent MPG the rest of the time, the differences in cost would be negligible or even a saving over our 10,000 miles per annum.
Of course, we may be leaving the scheme due to possible end of the month news, so who knows what we will end up driving. I always preferred big engined cars, so 3ltr sixes are back on my menu!
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I have no issues with the 3p charge, it had to happen sooner or later, however how they are going apply it is another thing. It going to be complicated some of are charging at home which balances the grid, off solar panels exporting to the grid, plus Octopus energy are pushing V2G ?
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
If they do it like NZ have, then you voluntarily buy miles online either upfront or as you go (in 600 mile blocks there), against the reg or VIN of the car. Then, when MOT’d the mileage is checked, if you are over the paid for mileage you have to pay the difference in x days or get a fine added. Sell car, same thing happens. Payment dodgers via crooked MOT garages/car clocking, as now, are a small % of total mileage covered by the populace.
In NZ there are different mileage charges for diesels, EV’s & plug in hybrids. They also apply to different weight class vehicles over 3.5T, but that’s not relevant here. It’s all been working for ages (they started with diesels in 1978!). They have a bit more common sense than here, so the revenue collected goes into the National Land Transport Fund, which pays for road maintenance, road improvements, public transport and road safety.
It will not be done using cameras on the roads as some suggest. The cost would run into billions & how do you cover the whole road network. A black box would work – but may meet stiff resistance on the “you are tracking me and what I do” front & also a lot of costs either to be absorbed or passed on.
It will not be by your charger/electricity company, you could fill by 240v plug or solar and escape the fees. Also it would then be by KW not mileage covered and it would be impossible to roll out to selected vehicles later…as it probably will be…Net Zero, no more diesel etc etc…
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A quote from someone:
“It’s a disgrace that members of the opposition have been referring to the chancellor of the exchequer as ‘Rachel from accounts’,” he said. “It’s misogynistic and deeply unprofessional.”
They get 5% vat when we charge as it is anyway.
This government are seriously lacking in the brain department and have no common sense whatsoever.
Calling her Rachel from accounts is mild compared to what I call her.
A quote from someone: “It’s a disgrace that members of the opposition have been referring to the chancellor of the exchequer as ‘Rachel from accounts’,” he said. “It’s misogynistic and deeply unprofessional.”
It’s not misogynistic in the slightest. If the Chancellor was called Richard and had also lied on his CV, he would be being called Richard from accounts. I’d say that what is deeply unprofessional is embellishing your CV to make out that you operated at a more senior level than you did, as is not following the rules on leasing out a property when you are making the rules for others when in government. To give someone a free pass for these things just because they are female would be wrong on many levels. Nobody would excuse these things from a man, nor should they, and women should be treated in exactly the same way, rather than claiming misogyny when caught out!
The very idea that you could get the position of Chancellor by submitting a CV with a few embellishments.
A quote from someone: “It’s a disgrace that members of the opposition have been referring to the chancellor of the exchequer as ‘Rachel from accounts’,” he said. “It’s misogynistic and deeply unprofessional.”
I think the name is going to stick like Liz Trust Lettuce, mind you she could always blame it on the Conservatives, Brexit and changing market conditions.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
The very idea that you could get the position of Chancellor by submitting a CV with a few embellishments.
You’re right. She no doubt has a multitude of talents, such as ….. er…..um…….nope, sorry. I give up 😂
Isn’t this this proposed pay per mile tax instead of Vehicle Excise Duty? If so, would it be payable by Motability customers? I’d assumed that it wouldn’t be, as VED isn’t. Or is that just wishful thinking?
Isn’t this this proposed pay per mile tax instead of Vehicle Excise Duty? If so, would it be payable by Motability customers? I’d assumed that it wouldn’t be, as VED isn’t. Or is that just wishful thinking?
That’s a good question, but my understanding is that the idea is that it’s to replace declining fuel duties, rather than VED. Motability drivers aren’t exempt from the fuel duty payable on petrol or diesel, so I doubt would be exempt from this either so, yes, probably wishful thinking. However, it’s not been properly thought through, so anything is possible 😂
Isn’t this this proposed pay per mile tax instead of Vehicle Excise Duty? If so, would it be payable by Motability customers? I’d assumed that it wouldn’t be, as VED isn’t. Or is that just wishful thinking?
That’s a good question, but my understanding is that the idea is that it’s to replace declining fuel duties, rather than VED. Motability drivers aren’t exempt from the fuel duty payable on petrol or diesel, so I doubt would be exempt from this either so, yes, probably wishful thinking. However, it’s not been properly thought through, so anything is possible
Ahh, I’d got the wrong end of the stick then. That’s bad news. We do a lot of miles and swapped to an EV mainly because we couldn’t afford to fuel a diesel car any more. 🙁
I didn’t post about this mainly because it’s inevitable. Fuel duty is a considerable income for the government to waste away. With the resultant drop in duty income, a pay per mile would be the most realistic equivalent to fuel duty.
The question that hasn’t been raised yet, let alone answered, is how they propose to measure and collect this money. For Motability customers, we get one MOT and maybe one or two services in the 3 years. Requesting mileage at these points wouldn’t reflect a timely response. Payment for those not in work could be tricky if it requires holding and money payed in arrears and payments in advance could confuse people, especially if they have an urgent need to use the car but aren’t sure where they are in terms of paid miles. There was talk years ago about a recording process placed on major roads, and around town, some sort of digital ID. However, if that’s a government project it’ll take years to put in place and will cost millions, plus millions in overspending, and won’t be reliable for a decade or so, especially in the deepest rural areas.
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I would image that they will change the disabled VED rate to only cover the basic rate, i.e meaning people will need to pay the ‘Luxury car’ tax rate of £425 and abolish disabled VAT relief on cars over £40,000. If so that will hit the EV drivers harder as well.
One point I missed earlier is the change of message. 18 months ago the EV message was clearly a push to 2030 with the new government reinstating that from the 2035 deadline.
Now, it seems there’s no clear message. There’s the up to £3500 grant but you’ll have to pay per mile, which will be seen as an extra tax rather than simply replacing fuel duty.
Without clear messaging from the government and with a lot of propaganda from the oil companies and other opponents, EV sales will mostly remain within those simply renewing their last EV plus a few persuaded extra individuals. None of that will make 2030 possible.
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One way would be to add 1 pence kWh to public EV chargers
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
The saying “what happens in theory not in practice” suggests that while an idea or principle may be theoretically sound, it may not work as effectively or be applicable in the real world.
In other words, you could have all the qualification in the world, but aren’t able to put it into practice and fail at the task in hand.
Likewise, the matter of fudging, to make one sound better than they are, will sooner or later catch up with you, when it’s proven your not at the level, the task requires.
I’m a former Labour Party member, resigned my membership earlier this year when they tried to cut PIP. I’m not a fan of Rachel Reeves, but I do feel there’s a hint of misogyny in the “Rachel from accounts” label. I don’t remember other chancellors getting labelled as much, despite catastrophic (very recent) budgets.
I’m a former Labour Party member, resigned my membership earlier this year when they tried to cut PIP. I’m not a fan of Rachel Reeves, but I do feel there’s a hint of misogyny in the “Rachel from accounts” label. I don’t remember other chancellors getting labelled as much, despite catastrophic (very recent) budgets.
The nickname came from her exaggerating a previous role on her CV, something that she corrected when it was exposed. To the best of my knowledge, no previous Chancellor, however bad they may have been, had ever done this, so I repeat that the fact that she is a woman is irrelevant.
It’s a bizarre world that we live in if you cannot criticise a woman who does something wrong purely because she is a woman, and that to do so is misogynistic. I tend to recall the same lame accusations when Angela Rayner was exposed as having somewhat dodgy property dealings.
Misogyny, where it occurs, is a serious issue and should be treated as such, but to hide behind it in order to dilute criticism of wrongdoing is very wrong indeed and should be called out for what it is – smoke-screening.
Perhaps because Reeve’s is the only chancellor, to have fudged their CV or at least the only one thats been caught doing so. However, we shouldn’t forget Reeves isn’t only one in parliment to have found herself a name, as not so long ago we had we also had lettuce.
Perhaps because Reeve’s is the only chancellor, to have fudged their CV or at least the only one thats been caught doing so. However, we shouldn’t forget Reeves isn’t only one in parliment to have found herself a name, as not so long ago we had we also had lettuce.
You know the old saying. You can tell when a politician is lying. Their lips move 😂
I have voted in every single election since I was old enough to vote and I’ve always felt that you can’t complain about things unless you have. However, I’d be really stuck if there was a general election today. I’d certainly want to oust this current lot before they do any more harm, but I just don’t see any credible alternative. I guess I would have to make a tactical vote. It’s a desperate situation 😞
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