Electric Car with hoist (or smaller electric wheelchair?)

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  • #166785 Reply
    jonny
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    Hi,

    I’m due to change car very soon (extended till March) and I’d really like to get an electric car.

    I currently have a Golf, and I have a mobility scooter that I use for long distances. I don’t use it very often as it’s quite heavy to lift (I need somebody with me to help), I would be too tired to lift the battery/motor back in at the end of the working day. This means that day-to-day I don’t really go very far, I just park near where I need to be and walk short distances.

    I’m thinking of buying something like a TGA Whill C2. So I’ll need a slightly bigger car than the Golf, preferably with a hoist inside to help me lift it up/down (so that I can do it on my own).

    I’ve been looking at electric cars, but I emailed my local vehicle adaptation specialist, and they said that none of the cars I was looking at currently have hoists available because the manufacturers hadn’t been able to design/assess frames and carry out safety tests. Also they suggested that I should be looking at MPVs.

    Below are the cars I enquired about. Only ID4 is on Motability – I’ve been looking at either buying the car personally or using a lease (such as a maintained AA Smart Lease). Some deals aren’t too far off Motability when I factor everything in – comparing the money lost over 3 years, I would spend about £7200 on a downpayment/options on a Motability VW ID4, but “only” effectively lose about £10000-14000 on an Ioniq 5 lease over 3 years (including insurance). I know this sounds extravagant, but I’m trying to consider all options, possibly keeping the car for longer than 3 years.

    VW ID4
    Hyundai Ioniq 5
    Audi Q4 E-Tron
    Skoda Enyaq
    Tesla Model 3

    All I really need is something slightly bigger than the Golf. I don’t really want to go to for an MPV (especially not a petrol MPV). It seems like the ID4/Ioniq5 would be the ideal size for when I have somebody with me to help lift the wheelchair, but I’d rather be able to do it independently. I’d be happy to buy a different wheelchair if it could be separated into lighter parts that I could lift myself. It seems when I look for a light wheelchair, the wheelchair itself is lighter, but it doesn’t break into liftable sections – I’m looking for something that has a heaviest component of around 10kg.

    Can anybody suggest a solution? Do you know of electric cars that could have a hoist fitted? Or maybe there’s a lighter wheelchair I could consider?

    Thanks,

    Jonny

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  • #166790 Reply
    struth
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    a tricky thing to get enough height for hoist to lift in a scooter with chair still on even with back folded. you may need a higher rear roof opening.

    I can just get my scooter hoisted into the chr but have to lift off the seat first. also have to lose the use of the 60 side of rear seat, as the hoist takes up a lot of space.

    the van type citreons etc can do it as can the big galaxy type cars. I doubt any of the current electrics will let you get it in with seat on via a hoist. One of the big skodas maybe..

    #166799 Reply
    Huffpuffin

    Don’t know if it helps, but I remove the seat from my Drive Style + scooter, turn it over and it fits nicely in the footwell of the scooter. Once the tiller is folded down, the whole thing is lifted into my Tiguan using an 80Kg Autochair hoist. Yes I lose my 60 side rear seat, but at present that isn’t a problem.

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    jonny
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    Thanks both – I don’t mind taking the seat off (or even dismantling into smaller pieces, putting the lighter things in myself and leaving the heavier parts to the hoist).

    I’ve seen videos that suggest a hoist could be fitted to something as small as a Nissan Micra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_8wG__FBY or a Golf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4Kg6XBCZs  – this setup in a Golf would be fine for my purposes. In terms of space, I assume that if it can be fitted into a Golf, there would be space in an ID3. I’d prefer an ID4 to allow a bit more storage (and to make it easier to fit it in). But, as I understand from the adaptations company, it seems that the issue might mainly be that the hoists haven’t been safety tested in the electric cars I enquired about.

    As a side issue, if I did lease through a non-Motability scheme, does anyone know if the lease company would be upset if I added a hoist (would it damage the car?). I’m not sure whether a hoist fitting/removal would be within as “Fair Wear and Tear”?! (Maybe this question is for a separate thread – I asked one leasing company representative and they hadn’t encountered that question before!)

    Thanks,

    Jonny

    #166810 Reply
    struth
    Participant

    This is how mine looks. its a sqeeze but it works well enough. i sit seat at back. ive not tried puting it in the footwell. i used to put mt shopping there lol

    #166829 Reply
    garry
    Participant

    If you can manage with 2 seats, this scooter system is superb.

    Flyte

    If you do a quick google search there are videos of them being loaded into cars as small as a Renault Clio.

    You can normally find nearly new ones on ebay too at a reasonable price.

    Or If you are able to lift 10kg  the One Rehab Illusion is a full suspension scooter which breaks into parts weighing 10kg or less, and fits in most boots and is the way I’ve gone, with a Hyundai Kona EV on order.

    ONE REHAB Illusion

    Again nearly new ones are usually available on ebay.

     

     

     

    Speaking from personal experience hoists are not always the solution. You need to park on very flat ground and the scooter must be positioned in exactly the right position to load it back in.

    Good luck hope you find your solution.

     

     

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by garry.
    #166831 Reply
    garry
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    These too are usually available on ebay at reasonable price

    Speaking from personal experience hoists are not always the solution. You need to park on very flat ground and the scooter must be positioned in exactly the right position to load it back in.

    Good luck hope you find your solution.

    For some reason this got chopped from above post

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by garry.
    #166844 Reply
    Mike 700
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    Quingo do a contract hire I believe?

     

    VW Tiguan SEL in Silver White.

    #166866 Reply
    Huffpuffin

    I arranged a demo from Quingo for one of these Flytes a few years ago. Yes, they are very thorough (even installed the system in my Focus estate for an hour!), but beware! Once they have your details and you say “thanks, but no thanks” they will pester you for months!

    #166867 Reply
    jonny
    Participant

    Thank you very much everyone.

    Garry – thank you – the Flyte and the Illusion both look great solutions. I particularly like the look of the Flyte, and I’ve just requested a demo. Thanks Huffpuffin – I’ll have to be careful with that! When you tried it in the estate, did you still need to fold back seats down?

    #166873 Reply
    Huffpuffin

    @jonny – Yes you do. The docking station stays in the car. It’s essentially 2 ramps, with 2 further ramps which the scooter is driven up (remotely I would add!) to load into the car. Once it is in place you might get a couple a suitcases wedged either side of the scooter, but that’s it!

    On the subject of pushy companies I’ve also had a demo from Trilift:

    https://trilift.co.uk/

    A good idea – you don’t lose any space in the car. After the demo, the rep got out his paperwork and said “OK, I just need you to sign this and we can get the order processed immediately”

    I sent him packing!

    #166875 Reply
    garry
    Participant

    You’re very welcome Jonny.

    I hope you find something that works for you 🤞

     

    #166876 Reply
    struth
    Participant

    other option is to pick up a folding type. they are small enough and lightish to fit in an electric car without need of hoist or putting a seat back down.

    #167133 Reply
    Catherine Pearson

    Hi

    I have just ordered an Atto sport mobility scooter – it folds up to the size of a carry on bag and can then be divided into two pieces to lift – 12.5kg and 17kg.  If you can manage on a scooter it’s worth looking at – I can’t recommend it in person yet as (like most things) it’s waiting to be unloaded at a port somewhere.  I was surprised at how many options I had for similar scooters but none are cheap.

     

     

    #167142 Reply
    struth
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    Hi I have just ordered an Atto sport mobility scooter – it folds up to the size of a carry on bag and can then be divided into two pieces to lift – 12.5kg and 17kg. If you can manage on a scooter it’s worth looking at – I can’t recommend it in person yet as (like most things) it’s waiting to be unloaded at a port somewhere. I was surprised at how many options I had for similar scooters but none are cheap.

    epensive but a nice scooter

    #167177 Reply
    Just2Fish

    My Hyundai Kona Ultimate EV with my SupaScoota Sport hoisted in. The 2/3 back seat has to be folded down and the lightweight scooter seat removed. It will alternatively take my Dash Efold power chair.

    #167197 Reply
    struth
    Participant

    pretty much same as my hoist.  take a fair amount of juice out of battery tho.

    #167260 Reply
    jonny
    Participant

    Thanks everyone, there’s some nice ideas there.

    My current scooter is a Liberty Vogue – when disassembled the heaviest part is 14.5kg, but it’s still too heavy for me to lift myself (particularly at the end of a long day).

    Seeing a hoist in a Kona EV is very exciting, thanks Just2Fish. What make of hoist is it?

    #167381 Reply
    Just2Fish

    The hoist is an Autochair, fitted by SVO in Calne, Wiltshire.

    #167384 Reply
    Mike 700
    Participant

    Just a thought?

    I have a Solax hoist, which is very convenient, and take up less room than a fixed hoist, and there are others available?

     

    VW Tiguan SEL in Silver White.

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