Cupra tavascan or Ionic 5

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  • #309599
    jps
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      I can order early August and I’m interested in people’s opinions on the tavascan and ionic 5.

      I’ve test drove both and preferred the drive of the cupra. I found the ionic 5 drove ok, didn’t really have much other feel after driving it. The model I’d be interested in is the n line but they didn’t have that model to look round. Seem pictures and it’s definitely sportier than the premium. I think the ionic 5 probably has better spec and technology than the cupra but looks wise it’s pretty bland up against the tavascan, which was better to drive and looks oh so much better.

      I’ve lined up a couple of dealers who have £1000 off the ap of the cupra so that’s the way I’m leaning at the moment.

       

      Anybody have either of these cars and have some real world feedback and realistic range they achieve. Thanks.

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    • #309633
      kezo
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        If I was choosing between the two, it would be the Ioniq all day long (but I’m not😂) The 800V architecture, bags of passenger space, twin screens, with physical buttons. Yeh it’s not got the sporty looks or power (shame AWD never returned), but in my view it’s better in every other way.

        I don’t like VW groups big box little box screens and not sure you need such a large a centre console on EV.

        That my opinion of course lol.

        #309654
        jps
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          Yes I’m pretty sure your right but it’s difficult to ignore the good looks and power of the tavascan.

          One thing I’m concerned the cupra doesn’t have is matrix headlights. A feature in used to on my current id3 and there awesome in the winter. I believe the Hyundai ionic 5 n line has matrix lights.

          It’s good looks and power Vs superior tech but slightly duller looking I guess.

           

           

          #309661
          Rene
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            Well, it’s subjective. I think the Ioniq is more interesting to look at, whereas the Tavascan is an ID5 in tracksuit.

            I would also not order a car without Matrix LEDs anymore, i recently drove a Renault something or other (Captur i think?) with normal headlights, just not going to happen anymore.

            Interior, i do think the Tavascan is nicer. Contrary to Kezo, i do like a big screen, the Ioniq in that regard is very bland. It’s also incorrect to state that the Ioniq 5 has physical buttons – it has physical shortcuts, the actual controls happen through a touch sensitive pad further down, which is worse than through the screen because with the screen, you can glance to the road easily, whereas with the Ioniq 5 controls you have to actually look away from the road. I didn’t like it in the Ioniq, but again, that’s subjective.

            Having played with the big screen in the Enyaq and Elroq (same one as in Tavascan), it’s great.

            The major downside of course is the price. The biggest spec on the scheme is the V2 for stupid money, even at £1k off. Leaves the V1, which, well.. doesn’t offer particularly much. Not as bare bones as the X1 i recently looked at, but still, not great either. The V2 at the price of the V1 would be an enticing offer (comes with matrix LEDs too) – but as is, nah. Doesn’t even come with heated seats without winter pack.

            If you liked how the Tavascan drove, give the Ford Explorer EV a whirl. Better equipment (including Matrix LEDs and Bose sound, heated seats, pano roof etc), same platform (motor and battery are the same, so same power/range), sporty setup and pretty “chuckable” for an EV.

            It’s the first Ford i’ve driven since the 80s, and, well.. I don’t know what the fuzz is about with Ford and “cheap”, but the Explorer was lovely inside, drove better than Enyaq and Elroq, nothing squeaked or anything.

            And, of course, in top trim (Premium, disregard the “tech pack”, only adds nonsense), it’s £250 cheaper than the Tavascan with winter pack AFTER you apply the £1k off for the Tavascan.

            Give it a test drive, doesn’t cost anything.

            edit: what i was trying to say is, i’d probably not go for either – i didn’t feel comfy inside the Ioniq, and the Tavascan is a bad offer value-wise compared to other cars on the scheme.

            Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
            Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
            Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

            #309663
            kdwolf
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              Neither of them.  Ioniq 5 comes with one motor. Cupra V2 misses everything Capri or Enyaq have to offer.  For the same top price I would consider EV9 instead.

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              #309664
              Rene
              Participant

                EV9 isn’t on the scheme, i assume you meant the EV6 – and you couldn’t get me drunk enough to pay 8000 pounds for a car on the scheme.

                Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                #309665
                MFillingham
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                  If you’re looking at Ioniq 5 money, that brings in the Mach E which I believe drives better than the Tavascan.  The issue with the 5 is that there are clearly 2 levels of seat, the base seats are adequate but the relaxation seats available in some models are steps above at least for my idea of comfort, which may not be others’ opinions.

                   

                  The Tavascan is nice but I’d want the V2 and that’s ridiculously more money.  Did you look at the Ioniq 6? Being lower it’s a more stable drive than the 5 but still has the improved technology and the price for the Ultimate is something of a bargain right now.

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                  Mark

                  #309667
                  Rene
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                    If you’re looking at Ioniq 5 money, that brings in the Mach E

                    No, it doesn’t. Not even close. The cheapest Mach E doubles the price of the Tavascan and Ioniq 5 in question.

                    For reference, the Ioniq 5 is £1999, the Tavascan either £1499 or £2499 depending on whether he takes the winter pack, the Ford Explorer is £2250.

                    The cheapest Mach E is £4500, and doesn’t offer anything. Less battery, less power, less equipment than even the base Tavascan. It’s objectively an awful offer on the scheme. It doesn’t even come with an electric tailgate.

                    edit: i do agree on the Ioniq 6 though, in my mind the by far most value you can get for your money currently (if only it was less marmite-y visually). I just assumed we’re looking at crossovers/SUVs, due to, well, Tavascan and Ioniq 5.

                    Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                    Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                    Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                    #309672
                    MFillingham
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                      @Rene fair enough, I was looking at I5 prices to get close to retaining the features I have on mine. That puts me over the top price on scheme as I’d need an extra pack.  That’s a hard No for me.

                      The Mach E is a very nice car and the smaller battery isn’t that far behind the others, although that was one of the main reasons why I ended up with the Hyundai rather than a Ford.  The Explorer is ridiculously powerful for a SUV of that size and shape, you’d expect that power to come with something streamlined but in full sport mode it’s a blast.

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                      #309673
                      kezo
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                        Rene, there are quite a few physical buttons, namely volume, station, seek, track and favourite. The climate touch panel, I don’t find difficult, now I now where they are and once set doen’t really need to be touched again, other than temp when the seasons change. There’s also a row of physical buttons on the centre console similar to the Tucson.

                        The Ioniq gets intelligent lights (matrix) on every trim bar the entry level.

                        https://dmassets.hyundai.com/is/content/hyundaiautoever/IONIQ+5+Tech+and+Spec+Guidepdf

                        Though, I do agree, yo have to be mad to pay 8,000 AP for the EV6.

                        At the end of the day only you can decide, whats best for your needs!

                        #309676
                        Rene
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                          @Rene fair enough, I was looking at I5 prices to get close to retaining the features I have on mine. That puts me over the top price on scheme as I’d need an extra pack. That’s a hard No for me. The Mach E is a very nice car and the smaller battery isn’t that far behind the others, although that was one of the main reasons why I ended up with the Hyundai rather than a Ford. The Explorer is ridiculously powerful for a SUV of that size and shape, you’d expect that power to come with something streamlined but in full sport mode it’s a blast.

                          Yeah, the OP mentioned he was looking at the “base” N Line (i think there’s an N Line S too, at silly money), and that he gets a grand off the Tavascans (they’re actually £2500 and £3500 on the scheme), taking the prices of the cars from £1500 to £2000 to £2500.

                          The Mach E isn’t a bad car, don’t get me wrong (although i’m still sour about the naming, as a big Mustang fan) – but it’s just bad value on the scheme.

                          Given the choice between a Mach E GT and the Explorer, i’d take the Mach E – if the AP was similar to the current base Mach E. Anything else just looks silly next to the £2250 Explorer that comes with basically everything bar ventilated seats. And yeah.. It’s stupid rapid for what it is. Lifts the nose by 2 inches when you floor it, loved it. Since we have the dealership relatively close, we were able to take it on our “routine” route home (Evans Halshaw Bridgend) – a route that i usually drive in our luke warm hatch, spirited.

                          The Explorer is every bit as spirited to drive (i kind of drove it like it wasn’t mine). Doesn’t mean the Mach E is worse, or may be better – but i can tell that i get to my comfort-limit faster than the Explorer does, the comparatively huge 255s on the rear (235 in the front, i believe?) might be part of that.

                          I haven’t driven the Tavascan, i can only go by the equipment, and the fact that it’s the same platform as the Explorer – so for the same money, i’d take the Explorer. Can’t overlook all that kit for the same money, while being as much a hoot to drive (though i’d guess, even more so a hoot, since it pulls so much harder than, for example, Enyaq and Elroq which have the same powertrain).

                          But, as you rightfully mentioned, the Ioniq 6, while not being quite as fast or exhilarating to drive (though still very competent, just not as enticing to hoon), is definitely the best offer currently available. Even more kit than the Explorer, for £500 less – sadly it’s too large for our bay (almost 5m long), and my wife can’t get in easily, otherwise i’d just close my eyes when walking behind it (i hate the weird black spoiler thing at the back, the only thing that spoils is the otherwise fine looks) and enjoy one.

                          Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                          Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                          Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                          #309679
                          kezo
                          Participant

                            @Rene the N Line gets similar kit to the 2nd tier premium, but more sporty looking. The N Line S & Ultimate loaded with everything.

                            Downloaded the specs earlier, if you wanted a gander.

                            #309681
                            Rene
                            Participant

                              @Rene the N Line gets similar kit to the 2nd tier premium, but more sporty looking. The N Line S & Ultimate loaded with everything. Downloaded the specs earlier, if you wanted a gander.

                              Not quite sure why, i never commented on the Ioniqs equipment?

                              But, if you want me to, the N Line is reasonably equipped. Worse than the Ioniq 6 and Explorer, but has the important bits (heated seats, matrix LEDs, electric tailgate). It does get a bonus point for including the heatpump. Most notably, doesn’t have a “premium” sound system, or Pano roof, instead  you get boatloads of bongs.

                              All in all, for the same money (close enough), i’d take the Explorer all day any day. 800V doesn’t do anything for me if 95% of my charging happens on my 7kw charger. While still a good offer, the Explorer just offers more for basically the same price, while also being able to put a smile on your face. Something noticeably absent with the Ioniq 5 (if you enjoy “driving” as an activity).

                              My wife, when getting in for the first time, said immediately “ew, like an iPhone in here” – i thought that was pretty apt. We’re android users. 😛

                              Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                              Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                              Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                              #309684
                              jps
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                                Rene – I agree I may struggle without matrix lights that I’m used to. They are simply so brilliant to use and I can relax more driving at night not needing to dip etc. I know other lights also auto dip but that’s not the reason there so good. You have to use them to appreciate how clever they are.

                                I have actually test drive the explorer and I do like it, we had the salesman in the back so wouldn’t of been as spirited a year drive as you had. The cupra dealership let us take it out alone, maybe that’s why I felt it drove so much better hahah.

                                I wouldn’t be looking at the V2 it’s silly money. I’ve found another offer on the v1 at snows in Southampton where I can order a v1 for just £995 instead of £2495. Just means a day trip to order and another to collect.

                                The ionic 6 I simply can’t stand the look of it , the rear end is horrendous.

                                Might have another look at the explorer, the wife really liked it. Don’t suppose anyone knows of any offers on the Ford explorer? Id go for the same one you ordered Rene a premium model, but if there’s no offers about I may stick with the tavascan as I really like the look and sportiness of it.

                                I was previously very keen on the enyaq sport line but the price seems to be creeping up too much lately. Are the lower spec models at around £2k well specced and worth looking at?

                                #309694
                                kezo
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                                  I was previously very keen on the enyaq sport line but the price seems to be creeping up too much lately. Are the lower spec models at around £2k well specced and worth looking at?

                                  I would say the Edition has similar spec to the V1, but you do get the matrix LED’s you want.

                                  The Edition has the standard equipment of the SEL + Edition spec seen here in the brochure:

                                  https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/c72dfee1-ab36-40e0-b1be-9c99293156c2

                                  The Taviscan is built in Anhui China, and Enyak Czech if that bothers you. It wouldn’t me!

                                  What matters I guess, is you are essentially getting the same car with the Enyak @ £1400 more. The Taviscan you loose matrix headlights, but does it really matter, when if like me, you spent many years driving with dim yellowish headlights, you couldn’t see two cars in front clearly! Advances brought in HID & LED hedlights, with high beam assist and often cornering lights, which are alot brighter and more than acceptable in todays traffic. Matrix maybe cream of of the crop, but do they warrant an extra £1400, especially if you only drive one or twice at night?

                                   

                                   

                                  #309695
                                  Rene
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                                    Yeah that might be it, we had an unaccompanied test drive.

                                    Sadly, i don’t know of any offers on the Explorer currently, but it’s basically the same price as the N Line. That said: a V1 at £1k is actually not too bad either. I’d still very much miss Matrix LEDs, and heated seats and steering wheel – but money is money.

                                    We were keen on the Enyaq too, just thought it drove a bit bland. The scheme only has “Edition” and “Sportline” models, no base models – they’re not huge spec (Matrix LEDs, heated electric massage seats and steering wheel, keyless, full ambient lighting, umbrellas and electric tailgate), but decentish for £1500. The £2000 variant etc is just different interior, that’s all subjective – only the £2500 version adds stuff (Canton Sound system, 360 camera and augmented reality HUD which i did like).

                                    All in all, it’s the most “mature” offer, we thought. I just felt a bit disconnected from driving, didn’t feel comfortable driving it.

                                    Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                    Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                    Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                                    #309696
                                    Rene
                                    Participant

                                      What matters I guess, is you are essentially getting the same car with the Enyak @ £1400 more.

                                      The Enyaq is £1500 in Edition trim and “standard interior”. Not £1500 more, but £1500, so £500 over his Tavascan order.

                                      With better equipment and practicality, as well as all the Skoda goodies (cubbies, umbrellas, boot organising etc), i actually would argue that it’s worth it for the heated seats (that the V1 doesn’t appear to have) alone.

                                      Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                      Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                      Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                                      #309697
                                      kezo
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                                        What matters I guess, is you are essentially getting the same car with the Enyak @ £1400 more.

                                        The Enyaq is £1500 in Edition trim and “standard interior”. Not £1500 more, but £1500, so £500 over his Tavascan order. With better equipment and practicality, as well as all the Skoda goodies (cubbies, umbrellas, boot organising etc), i actually would argue that it’s worth it for the heated seats (that the V1 doesn’t appear to have) alone.

                                        I believe jps mentioned the coupe.

                                        Totally agree on heated seats.

                                        Skoda Enyaq Coupe Edition 85 £2,349

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                                        #309699
                                        jps
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                                          Interesting I’ll have another look at the enyaq edition and it’s spec. I was initially keen on the coupe but would still order the estate at the right price.

                                          The v1 avascan does have heating steering wheel but as Rene said no heated seats or matrix.

                                          Your right kezo I could cope without matrix, it’s just I’ve been spoilt having them on the id3.

                                          #309701
                                          Rene
                                          Participant

                                            What matters I guess, is you are essentially getting the same car with the Enyak @ £1400 more.

                                            The Enyaq is £1500 in Edition trim and “standard interior”. Not £1500 more, but £1500, so £500 over his Tavascan order. With better equipment and practicality, as well as all the Skoda goodies (cubbies, umbrellas, boot organising etc), i actually would argue that it’s worth it for the heated seats (that the V1 doesn’t appear to have) alone.

                                            I believe jps mentioned the coupe. Totally agree on heated seats. Skoda Enyaq Coupe Edition 85 £2,349

                                            .. am i blind? Can’t see it.

                                            That said: for 1k less, i’d very much take the estate, absolute no brainer – it’s the better looking, much more practical car (the same length), for £1k less. Daft to leave that on the table, in my mind.

                                            edit: and they recently had a £750 off offer, could call around and see if some dealership still offers it. At £750 it becomes an absolute no brainer. It might even still be going, i can’t remember if it ended end of juni or july – that was at Sinclair Skoda Swansea, ymmv.

                                            Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                            Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                            Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                                            #310155
                                            LDC7080
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                                              I think someone else nailed it.  if the AWD version was on the scheme i would go IONIQ 5 all day.  everything is opinion but i find there something magic about a box on wheels that can blow away sports cars.  my issue with most of Cupra is that they look like they will destroy every other car on the road due to there agressive stance and styling but in many occasions they are just sheep in wolfs clothing.

                                              good example of this right now is the ford explorer, another box on wheels but its faster than the cupra tavascan and range wise they are very simular on the “WLTP” numbers.  the top of the range explorer is available for a £500 more than the base version Tavascan.  that is where my money would be at, but i have to wait for Q4 so i have everything crossed prices dont increase or the car comes of the scheme.

                                              i am sure youll be happy with what ever you choose happy shopping

                                              #310166
                                              Rene
                                              Participant

                                                good example of this right now is the ford explorer, another box on wheels but its faster than the cupra tavascan and range wise they are very simular on the “WLTP” numbers. the top of the range explorer is available for a £500 more than the base version Tavascan. that is where my money would be at, but i have to wait for Q4 so i have everything crossed prices dont increase or the car comes of the scheme.

                                                I’ll join with the crossing. We really, really want one. It’s just such a good car – and, as you mentioned, it destroys anything under 350hp (well.. up to 50ish mph at least) while looking like a shopping tractor.

                                                Sidenote, the top trim Explorer is actually 300 less than the base Tavascan (if you include the £1k off) at £2295 – the more expensive Explorer adds a pack that nobody really needs (HUD, 360 cam, autoparking).

                                                It’s not the greatest deal on the scheme currently (that’d be the Ioniq 6) – but it’s close.

                                                Just gotta keep praying that they don’t raise the AP next quarter when we’re due to order.

                                                Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                                Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                                Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                                                #310170
                                                kezo
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                                                  good example of this right now is the ford explorer, another box on wheels but its faster than the cupra tavascan and range wise they are very simular on the “WLTP” numbers. the top of the range explorer is available for a £500 more than the base version Tavascan. that is where my money would be at, but i have to wait for Q4 so i have everything crossed prices dont increase or the car comes of the scheme.

                                                  I’ll join with the crossing. We really, really want one. It’s just such a good car – and, as you mentioned, it destroys anything under 350hp (well.. up to 50ish mph at least) while looking like a shopping tractor. Sidenote, the top trim Explorer is actually 300 less than the base Tavascan (if you include the £1k off) at £2295 – the more expensive Explorer adds a pack that nobody really needs (HUD, 360 cam, autoparking). It’s not the greatest deal on the scheme currently (that’d be the Ioniq 6) – but it’s close. Just gotta keep praying that they don’t raise the AP next quarter when we’re due to order.

                                                  Like @Rene I’ll join with the crossing from an outsiders pov. I like the Explorer, as it’s got the stance of an SUV, rather than a soft SUV. In cmparison to it’s distant cousins from VW, the interior visably looks more upmarket, which extends to the displays. The only thing that lets it down is those bloody daft window switches, that saved VW a couple of quid.

                                                  Compared to the Ioniq 5, it’s no match for equipment on upper trims, the i5 is bigger dimensionally and has a larger net battery capacity, but its larger dimensions net a lower range overall. Perhaps more importantly the i5 makes up for that, with it’s 800 Volt Architecture if you frequently charge away from home and V2L to make a cuppa whils’t you wait, rather than expensive coffee shops adding to the overall cost😂😛 Sadly it’s 0.8s slower from the lights and perhaps even more sadder, the AWD varients of both models aren’t on the scheme for an equally rapid 5.3s away from the lights!!

                                                  #310203
                                                  Rene
                                                  Participant

                                                    good example of this right now is the ford explorer, another box on wheels but its faster than the cupra tavascan and range wise they are very simular on the “WLTP” numbers. the top of the range explorer is available for a £500 more than the base version Tavascan. that is where my money would be at, but i have to wait for Q4 so i have everything crossed prices dont increase or the car comes of the scheme.

                                                    I’ll join with the crossing. We really, really want one. It’s just such a good car – and, as you mentioned, it destroys anything under 350hp (well.. up to 50ish mph at least) while looking like a shopping tractor. Sidenote, the top trim Explorer is actually 300 less than the base Tavascan (if you include the £1k off) at £2295 – the more expensive Explorer adds a pack that nobody really needs (HUD, 360 cam, autoparking). It’s not the greatest deal on the scheme currently (that’d be the Ioniq 6) – but it’s close. Just gotta keep praying that they don’t raise the AP next quarter when we’re due to order.

                                                    Like @Rene I’ll join with the crossing from an outsiders pov. I like the Explorer, as it’s got the stance of an SUV, rather than a soft SUV. In cmparison to it’s distant cousins from VW, the interior visably looks more upmarket, which extends to the displays. The only thing that lets it down is those bloody daft window switches, that saved VW a couple of quid. Compared to the Ioniq 5, it’s no match for equipment on upper trims, the i5 is bigger dimensionally and has a larger net battery capacity, but its larger dimensions net a lower range overall. Perhaps more importantly the i5 makes up for that, with it’s 800 Volt Architecture if you frequently charge away from home and V2L to make a cuppa whils’t you wait, rather than expensive coffee shops adding to the overall cost😂😛 Sadly it’s 0.8s slower from the lights and perhaps even more sadder, the AWD varients of both models aren’t on the scheme for an equally rapid 5.3s away from the lights!!

                                                    I actually wouldn’t want the AWD version of the Explorer, i do value the range more personally. I don’t need V2L, never had it, never missed it – and no, it’s the other way around. The Ioniq 5 can’t match the Explorer for equipment, considering that for the £2250 of the Explorer, you can get only the Premium LR Ioniq 5. Which then is missing quite a bit of kit to the Explorer (including Matrix LEDs). Yes, Ultimate is better equipped, but also more costly and doesn’t make up for the fact that it’s, comparatively, slow.

                                                    800 Volt is nice to have, but lets be very real.. If i sit at the charger for 25 minutes (Explorer) or 18 minutes (Ioniq 5) doesn’t actually make a hint of a difference. That would never ever be a deciding factor for me.

                                                    Worst part though is very simple: i hate the Ioniq 5 interior. It looks like an iPhone. I understand that that’s “hip” or whatever, but absolutely not my thing.

                                                    Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                                    Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                                    Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

                                                    #310213
                                                    Phaedra
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                                                      @Rene  I’m following you!  Previous Seat Ateca, now in an Enyaq but looking at the Explorer Premium for the next car, not until Oct 2026 though 🙁

                                                      I quite like the Enyaq overall and would consider another or an Elroq but my dealer is useless.  The Ford dealer I had my previous Kuga from were excellent in comparison.

                                                      Who knows what will come out in the next 15 months, I’ll just have to try and stop looking for a year!.

                                                      Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!

                                                      #310215
                                                      Rene
                                                      Participant

                                                        @Rene I’m following you! Previous Seat Ateca, now in an Enyaq but looking at the Explorer Premium for the next car, not until Oct 2026 though 🙁 I quite like the Enyaq overall and would consider another or an Elroq but my dealer is useless. The Ford dealer I had my previous Kuga from were excellent in comparison. Who knows what will come out in the next 15 months, I’ll just have to try and stop looking for a year!.

                                                        Good luck with that, we’re due in November and i’ve been looking (and test driving) for the last 6 months already lol.

                                                        I did like the Enyaq, it was just a little.. unwieldy, somehow. Hard to explain, i felt like being incredibly careful with the 21″ alloys etc (optional wheels on the demonstrator). I like the Enyaq powertrain (which is great since the Explorer has it too), but ultimately it was too big (so we tested the Elroq, which is a better fit, albeit a little.. boring, in a good way).

                                                        I will say, sorry to hear about your experiences with certain dealerships – i have yet to have a really bad one. We had a miffy one at our local VW shop – not unfriendly, just became disinterested after mentioning Motability, at which point we simply drove to the next VW dealership (30 miles away).

                                                        “Our” VW (Sinclair Port Talbot) is amazing, and so was “our” Skoda (Sinclair Swansea) – as well as “our” Ford (EvanHalshaws Bridgend). In fact, at Ford, the sales manager sorted us, not a MB trained guy – and he, completely out of the blue, even offered a 48h test drive on the Explorer which we’ll take him up on a bit closer to our ordering window (want to order the car when we drop it off).

                                                        We actually talked to him about this, and the fact that we feel uncomfortable usually disclaiming that it’s going to be a MB car and he immediately knew what we were talking about. Apparently, as a general rule, we got lucky to find mostly dealerships that don’t pay personal performance based salary, but just a fixed one. Meaning that the Salesguy doesn’t get a commission, just a flat bonus at the end of the month based on monthly sales of the entire dealership.

                                                        Makes it easier for everyone involved.

                                                        Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
                                                        Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
                                                        Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.

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