Could Prime Minister Boris Johnson break up the UK?

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    The Scottish Conservative (and Unionist) party has enjoyed something of resurgence in recent years under the energetic leadership of Ruth Davidson.

    The party’s opponents are convinced that Boris Johnson as prime minister could put an end to all that – and could even put an end to the union between Scotland the rest of the UK.

    It’s true that Mr Johnson could hardly be more different from the down to earth, plain speaking and Remain-voting Ms Davidson. The two are not friends and have vehemently disagreed before.

    Some observers like to speculate that Boris will appear to Scottish voters to be the very epitome of the upper-class English ruling caste that Scots so dislike. But policy may well prove to be more important than personality.

    Mr Johnson appeared to have a weak grasp of the dynamics of devolution when he proposed tax changes that take no account of the fact that income tax rates in Scotland are set by the Scottish Parliament.

    But since then he has promised Scottish Tory MPs he will set up a “union unit” inside No 10 to check every policy. If he knows what he doesn’t know, then maybe he can avoid these gaffes as PM.

    It’s Brexit that may be his undoing, in so many ways. In Remain-voting Scotland, his problem is that the idea of a no deal Brexit is far less palatable than it is in the rest of the UK. The harder the Brexit Boris delivers, the more the Tory party in Scotland could suffer.

    If Prime Minister Johnson [he will officially take on the role this Wednesday] pursues a Brexit policy at odds with what most voters in Scotland would like to see, then it’s possible they may change their minds about whether remaining part of the UK is in their best interests. Some recent polling evidence suggests as many as 60% of voters could vote “yes” to independence if we leave the EU with no deal.

    In the end it may not be the precise details of any Brexit deal that stokes desire for independence – or indeed the character of any individual politician – but a sense that Scotland has different aspirations from the rest of the UK, which can’t be reconciled within the current union.

    If Mr Johnson wants to keep the kingdom united, he will need to take care not fan those flames.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

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    We are indeed fortunate Mike that she came from Gyana to give us the benefit of her wisdom.

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    I don’t agree with her views but I find Jo Swinson a lovely lady

    Mike look beyond the fact that she’s female. I’d love to hear your views on Brexit rather than “lovely ladies”. Tell us what you think about the crisis that the UK is facing right now.

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    POPS, I can’t agree the country is in a crisis as you suggest.  Perjorative terms don’t help.  Our elected Parliament are in a crisis, that’s the political position without doubt.  But the population is muddling along waiting for MPs to sort themselves out and anticipating a GE to give them a reckoning.

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    We are indeed fortunate Mike that she came from Gyana to give us the benefit of her wisdom.

    I enjoy your posts Wigwam even though I often don’t share your opinions, but this post is out of order.

    Gina Miller came to the UK as a ten year year old and has contributed financially to the UK exchequer all her working life. The fact that she was born in Guyana is irrelevant, and is an unacceptable comment with racist undertones.

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    I agree with pops wigwam some racist undertones in your post. I suspect it sounded different in your head.

    For the record pops I don’t think he likes the Scots either, but it could just be me lol.

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    Mike 700 I think you misunderstand her, she is just keeping BJ right, someone needs to.

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    Don’t get me started on the Scots..

    My comments about Miller did come out wrong. She has claimed that she disagrees with the referendum result and has put her efforts into fighting against the democratic will of this country.  I think it would be more useful  for her to focus her efforts in fighting the high levels of corruption in the country of her birth, but that’s just my opinion.

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    I appreciate the passion with which we’re debating this subject and I would be disappointed if it became less passionate, as long as we remain friendly and respectful.

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    You were doing so well and then…………….you just couldn’t help yourself lol.

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    It sounded so much like Trumps “send them home” statement.

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    Pops I’m sorry to keep mentioning lovely ladies ! I voted leave and I’m mad that we haven’t left already but I accept we must leave with a deal

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    Mike, I agree with you that we need to leave with a  well drafted deal.

    It’s the only way to start to repair the huge divide that has opened up in the UK over the last three years.

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    May I just correct any misunderstanding.  I have no time for anyone who works to overturn the referendum result whatever their race, religion, creed or sexual orientation.  I have plenty of time for people of any  race religion creed or sexual orientation who think the decision of the voters was wrong but accept it.

    And that includes haggis bashers.

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    I love a bit of haggis.

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    As it happens Brydo, so do I. I have spent a Burns night or two north of the border..

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    Isn’t it funny Brydo, that the people who support her , an unelected layperson, not even a politician (no one has ever elected her to represent anyone) invariably are the very same people who complain that BoJo was not elected to the position of PM by the UK electorate ( not that any PM ever has been).

    The very same people who want the Tories out , and put an ‘guess what’ unelected PM in his place, until an election – madness, pure madness!

    Double standards apply, of that there is no doubt, and also, one has to ask ‘what is in it for Gina Millar – is she receiving vast sums of tax payer subsidies via the EU, for her business, and does she have a captive market in the EU?

    Is she a gravy train driver I wonder, and if the train stops in the Brexit Station, is she worried that she will have to get off and stand on her own two feet, and then find her own way in the World, without support from the tax payers?

    She is described as a successful business woman , the type of person whom the left love to hate, yet ironically support her in the court cases because she is fighting the Tories- btw., you mention ‘ right wing ’ In a number of your posts, as if those on the right of the political spectrum are evil monsters, whereas frankly, the main danger to the economy and safety/defence of this country undoubtedly comes from the far left?

    I don’t care where Gina Millar comes from, only what she is attempting to do against the majority of the electorate, and in fact a family which I am quite friendly with actually came from Guyana, and they are white, so I don’t think that just noting that she came from another country should be taken as racist!

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49729831

    Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price pledges to ditch Brexit in election.

    The lib dems Plaid Cymru, will labour be next?

     

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    That’ll go down well in the valleys…

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    Mike 700
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    One could argue that Plaid Cymru is the voice of Wales, a nationalist party, seeking independence from the UK, but in reality it is a National Socialist Party, and represents very few people actually- see below!

    2017 election results –

    Labour polled 771,000 votes
    Plaid polled 164,000 votes
    Tories polled 528,000 votes

     

    Frankly,  , few care what they say!

    • This reply was modified 1 month ago by Avatar Mike 700.
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    It seems to me there are tens of thousands, maybe millions, of votes being left for Labour and Tories to scoop up at the next GE. People who want to leave with a deal are being totally ignored by these two parties, foolish if you ask me.

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    Mike 700 you are sinicle, very sinicle, why does everyone need to have a hidden agenda.

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    The debate here is I feel a fair reflection of that in society in general and is starting to simmer towards 100c. I would state.

    1. Corbyn derided the fact BJ was elected PM by a “few Tory members” but has now refused 2 offers of a general election.

    2. The Lib Dems are now an extreme party. Blatant disregard for democracy with their Brexit policy and have several MP’s who stood for different party’s but refuse to resign and fight by-elections.

    3. If the EU refuses to agree an extension, then we are out on Oct 31st.

    4. The farce in Luxembourg and subsequent tweets shows how childish some in the EU have become.

    5. We voted leave.

    The latter has escaped many who now seek to try and complicate, spin and betray the electorate.

     

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    At least a 164,000 people care what they say Mike and every one of their votes is worth the same as yours, or mine.

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    Fwipperie you will get your general election soon enough, as soon as the 3 month extension is agreed with the EU a date will be agreed. I’m sorry it wasn’t agreed sooner but BJ was going to use it to take us out without a deal.

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    I don’t care where Gina Millar comes from, only what she is attempting to do against the majority of the electorate, and in fact a family which I am quite friendly with actually came from Guyana, and they are white, so I don’t think that just noting that she came from another country should be taken as racist!

    Mike 700, I’m sure you know that racism isn’t specifically about black, brown or white people.

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