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I did a few figures on this in June this year and it was about the same.
Rapid and Ultrafast are £0.63 – £0.74 per Kwh. If you get on average 4 miles per Kwh then compare that to whatever your MPL cost is in your ICE.
My Hyundai did around 8 miles per litre at £1.55, so costing me around 77.5 pence per every 4 miles. My current EV (using BP pulse would be between .63- .74 per 4 miles.
That was back then, today my EV would be cheaper using BP pulse.
The break point for me was if petrol dropped below £1.45 per litre and I had to rely on BP Pulse, then it wouldn’t be worth it. Obviously, home charging is a different kettle of fish, but I hear your concerns.
Specifically to BP – their infrastructure is very poor, charges are weak, mainly paired (two cars charging together from the same “power unit”) and frequently unreliable.
Have you considered Tesla or IONITY monthly memberships?
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 - September 2026 (won my case with Ombudsman)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019mi/kWh varies greatly on your car your driving, ambient temperature, the use of climate controls…
BP Pulse doesn’t get the best reviews, but more importantly is do you have any BP chargers locally and what speed. Remember, you will be sitting there while the car charges and the longer it takes to charge, the longer you are sitting there, which may prove to be inconvenient, especially in winter.
At 3.5mi/kWh you will need 28.5kW for every 100 miles costing £21.09 at £0.74kWh
At current petrol prices (local to me), a 50mpg hybrid will need 2 gallons for every 100 miles 169.9l x 4.546 x 2 = £15.45 per 100 miles.
Charging at home comparison 28.5kWh x 0.07p = £2 for every 100 miles.
It’s the impossible question for anyone to answer but yourself. I keep hearing about these EV drivers getting 300+ mile in motability cars and, well I’m not saying they’re lying, but I now believe that they spend most of the time toddling around cities/towns and are maybe frugal with heating etc as I never go over 3.1 mipkw which is around 220ish mostly motorway/city and 250ish mostly city/motorway.
I do not drive heavy either and do try and be economical without losing to much comfort.
So I’m around 3.1, someone else might be 2.7 (AVG my last ev) and someone might be 3.5.
Edit. Having had to use two public chargers, Tesla and ESB lately and the expense of them id rather go back to ice if I had to use them regularly.
It’s the impossible question for anyone to answer but yourself. I keep hearing about these EV drivers getting 300+ mile in motability cars and, well I’m not saying they’re lying, but I now believe that they spend most of the time toddling around cities/towns and are maybe frugal with heating etc as I never go over 3.1 mipkw which is around 220ish mostly motorway/city and 250ish mostly city/motorway. I do not drive heavy either and do try and be economical without losing to much comfort. So I’m around 3.1, someone else might be 2.7 (AVG my last ev) and someone might be 3.5. Edit. Having had to use two public chargers, Tesla and ESB lately and the expense of them id rather go back to ice if I had to use them regularly.
I am driving my kid’s BYD Dolphin Surf – driving around the town I can make 4.5 miles per kWh, but ran it twice to the office and back home, the usual 95 miles round trip, and it dropped down to 3.4.
I always drive with A/C on and within national speed limits, if it helps to someone’s estimations.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 - September 2026 (won my case with Ombudsman)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019Our PHEV averages about 3.5 in EV over the year.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I’ve been getting between 3.8 & 4.6 m/kWh for the past 2 years in the Enyaq for 9 months of the year.
I do a long 250 mile return journey every week (To care for my 94 year old mum) & always in sports mode for max regen (permanent 4 X4 mode) and always have the Aircon on, heated seats & steering when cold. The car car seems really efficient, I’m very impressed & would definitely have another.
I mostly charge at home & mums so, 8p kWh but have used rapid chargers on occasions when doing longer holiday journeys etc with chargers anything from 63p to 86p Kwh. I use the Motability ONE App & charge card which I find faultless. Normally a cup of coffee & loo visit is long enough to get 40-50% in, charger speed dependent. I always use pre-conditioning before a DC charge.
For me, motoring is cheap at the moment!🙂
Skoda Enyaq Coupe 85x Sportline Plus Adanced, Heat Pump & 21" Supernova Wheels In Moon White Metallic - Ordered 27th December 2023 - Confirmed 31st January 2024 - Build Week 16 (W/C April 15th) Estimated Delivery 26th May. Build Week moved back to week 23 W/C 3rd June) Build Week moved again to week 32 (W/C 5th August) Brought forward to week 27 (W/C 1st July 24) Advised Week 31 That car us built & in Transit to UK. August 22nd, car arrived at dealership but wrong spec. Collected the car 18/9/2024. Ver
It’s the impossible question for anyone to answer but yourself. I keep hearing about these EV drivers getting 300+ mile in motability cars and, well I’m not saying they’re lying, but I now believe that they spend most of the time toddling around cities/towns and are maybe frugal with heating etc as I never go over 3.1 mipkw which is around 220ish mostly motorway/city and 250ish mostly city/motorway. I do not drive heavy either and do try and be economical without losing to much comfort. So I’m around 3.1, someone else might be 2.7 (AVG my last ev) and someone might be 3.5. Edit. Having had to use two public chargers, Tesla and ESB lately and the expense of them id rather go back to ice if I had to use them regularly.
I agree, it’s the how long is a piece of string question. All you can go on is ‘averages’ and that was all I had in June to make some kind of comparison. The EV3 is widely accepted at offering a good range, however, I’ve read owners claims of 6 m/kwh but no mention of them driving with every regen advantage going down hills and leaving off anything that will eat power.
I selected my EV on one simple piece of criteria. Will it do a 200 mile round trip at 100% charge for ‘most’ of the year. That would get me to hospital appointments and back. The EV3 will fulfil that criteria. Any miles left is a big bonus. So far, for me it averages 4.5 m/kwh but I expect that to nose dive in the winter to high 2s.
I see about 2.9 m/kWh EV in the coldness part of the winter.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I do a long 250 mile return journey every week (To care for my 94 year old mum) & always in sports mode for max regen (permanent 4 X4 mode)
The Enyak is basic AWD, not permanent 4WD or selectable 4WD
I do a long 250 mile return journey every week (To care for my 94 year old mum) & always in sports mode for max regen (permanent 4 X4 mode)
The Enyak is basic AWD, not permanent 4WD or selectable 4WD
@kezo I thought the same until a couple of weeks ago a dealer showed me in my 85x Motability car that if I change the driving mode to terrain, then it is permanent 4×4.
I only had a week to try before returning back to Motability, so cannot confirm if it is 100% true.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 - September 2026 (won my case with Ombudsman)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019
Skoda Enyaq Coupe 85x Sportline Plus Adanced, Heat Pump & 21" Supernova Wheels In Moon White Metallic - Ordered 27th December 2023 - Confirmed 31st January 2024 - Build Week 16 (W/C April 15th) Estimated Delivery 26th May. Build Week moved back to week 23 W/C 3rd June) Build Week moved again to week 32 (W/C 5th August) Brought forward to week 27 (W/C 1st July 24) Advised Week 31 That car us built & in Transit to UK. August 22nd, car arrived at dealership but wrong spec. Collected the car 18/9/2024. Ver
From what I’ve read over the last 3 years,
The early Enyaq’s with v3.x software used to be able to stay in AWD in Sport mode. The newer v4.x and onwards (from late 2022) don’t. The front motor only gets used up to 20kph (12.4mph) in both Traction and Sport modes, if the car detects a lack of grip etc it will come back on.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
Not sure why people are getting such low usage. This is mine for Sept and I certainly don’t hang about! I also get around 280 miles on a 100% charge although I have seen 315 in the past. One thing I have noticed is that having passengers or a boot full of tools makes far more difference than having the air con on!
Current car: Mini Countryman EV in very shiny black!
Previous car: MG HS Exclusive in nice shiny black.
That’s what I thought.
There seems alot of confusion or rather discrepancies across model years.
The 2026 models:
“The all-wheel-drive versions of the all-electric Elroq and Enyaq use two electric motors, with one powering the front axle and the other the rear. The electronically controlled coordination of the motors provides all-wheel drive when required.”
https://www.skoda.co.uk/news/details/skoda-4×4-model-range
Reference to Sport mode above, where ‘Consistently’ refers to regularly over time, while ‘constantly’ suggests continually without interruption.
My point, they are not 4×4 systems.
@Phaedra That’s what I thought. There seems alot of confusion or rather discrepancies across model years. The 2026 models: “The all-wheel-drive versions of the all-electric Elroq and Enyaq use two electric motors, with one powering the front axle and the other the rear. The electronically controlled coordination of the motors provides all-wheel drive when required.” https://www.skoda.co.uk/news/details/skoda-4×4-model-range My point, they are not 4×4’s
Kezo you are 100% correct, it only works part time at very low speeds.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Sorry, traction. Not terrain.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 - September 2026 (won my case with Ombudsman)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019In Sport mode you get constant AWD at all speeds plus regeneration from both motors. Mine is a 74 model 85x with the upgraded AP550 motor. The software constantly adjusts the torque depending on driving style between 70-30 and 50/50%. In Traction mode it is different, the AWD reduces at 20 to 30 mph and only activates above that speed if required by slippage conditions.
https://youtu.be/R6laNNu5n78?si=4jpu4hkDoGHhRLpv
Skoda Enyaq Coupe 85x Sportline Plus Adanced, Heat Pump & 21" Supernova Wheels In Moon White Metallic - Ordered 27th December 2023 - Confirmed 31st January 2024 - Build Week 16 (W/C April 15th) Estimated Delivery 26th May. Build Week moved back to week 23 W/C 3rd June) Build Week moved again to week 32 (W/C 5th August) Brought forward to week 27 (W/C 1st July 24) Advised Week 31 That car us built & in Transit to UK. August 22nd, car arrived at dealership but wrong spec. Collected the car 18/9/2024. Ver
Reference to Sport mode above, where ‘Consistently’ refers to regularly over time, while ‘constantly’ suggests continually without interruption. My point, they are not 4×4 systems.
The moniker “4×4” doesn’t require the system to be permanent, selectable or anything in between. 4×4 just refers to whether or not all four wheels can be driven. Which is the case in the Enyaq. It very much is a 4×4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive
It’s the impossible question for anyone to answer but yourself. I keep hearing about these EV drivers getting 300+ mile in motability cars and, well I’m not saying they’re lying, but I now believe that they spend most of the time toddling around cities/towns and are maybe frugal with heating etc as I never go over 3.1 mipkw which is around 220ish mostly motorway/city and 250ish mostly city/motorway.
Top speed was a slightly too eager drive onto the motorway early in the morning. My bad, but didn’t want to fiddle now with the screenshot to hide that. Keep in mind that the average speed also includes the journey to the motorway, i didn’t drive 60mph on the motorway – generally i drive anywhere between 70-75mph depending on what other cars are doing.
The recuperation is included in the energy usage, leading to 4.1 m/kwh (edit: meaning it was actually 22kwh total used, but 4kwh recuperated, making it 18kwh). Which is slightly below the average for our car. For longer motorway journeys, we generally end up at around 4.3 mi/kwh.
That’s for summer. Haven’t had any long journeys yet in winter, but we got around 3.7 mi/kwh on a motorway stint (not long distance tho) in february.
Around town we get upwards of 6-7 mi/kwh.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.kezo wrote: Reference to Sport mode above, where ‘Consistently’ refers to regularly over time, while ‘constantly’ suggests continually without interruption. My point, they are not 4×4 systems. The moniker “4×4” doesn’t require the system to be permanent, selectable or anything in between. 4×4 just refers to whether or not all four wheels can be driven. Which is the case in the Enyaq. It very much is a 4×4.
AWD is not the same as 4×4 (4wd), there is a distinct difference in how they operate.
AWD is automatic, the car chooses when to and when not to send power to all wheels.
4×4 (4wd) sends power permanently to all wheels when when turned on via basic transfer box or permanently to all wheels if permanent 4×4 (land Cruiser, Defender etc)
I had a EV previously and now have an ICE car, but to be honest, the cost petrol v charging with pulse is negligible. I find you also need to add on your time as it takes time to charge the car vs pumping petrol. If you can charge at your house, or work then fantastic as it will be much cheaper but if you have to rely on public networks to charge, then in my opinion, it’s a coin toss. Some cars get fantastic MPG like the Honda Jazz. I think the only thing I would say is with the price of petrol being so volatile right now, it is even harder to answer properly, but if petrol drops any then it might be cheaper overall. However, if they increase the price of the electricity charge at the networks which they will probably do soon, then it pushes it over to petrol more.
That’s pretty good going considering the temperature! It’s pretty close to the 340 mile at 100% figure claimed. I’ve had over 5m/kWh at times on warmer days, always in Sport mode for max regen.🙂
Skoda Enyaq Coupe 85x Sportline Plus Adanced, Heat Pump & 21" Supernova Wheels In Moon White Metallic - Ordered 27th December 2023 - Confirmed 31st January 2024 - Build Week 16 (W/C April 15th) Estimated Delivery 26th May. Build Week moved back to week 23 W/C 3rd June) Build Week moved again to week 32 (W/C 5th August) Brought forward to week 27 (W/C 1st July 24) Advised Week 31 That car us built & in Transit to UK. August 22nd, car arrived at dealership but wrong spec. Collected the car 18/9/2024. Ver
My Ioniq 5 AWD has averaged 3.1m/kw over the last 23,000 miles and 22 months of use. Its worse than the Kia Soul I had previously that averaged 3.4m/kw over 45,000 miles, but then, its bigger, heavier and AWD.
I average around 235 miles in below zero temps in winter and have seen over 300 miles in summer – including exceeding the wltp by 20 miles this year for a record 335 miles on A roads. More normal summer use is about 280-290 miles. Most mileage in North East Scotland – not known for its balmy temps and flat ground. Perfectly happy with that.
I’m not a slow driver, I enjoy the power available and believe in making progress as I was taught by my advanced motorcycle instructor (a policeman who trained their motorcycle riders – he was unbelievably fast on any bike) and tend to overtake rather than sit behind folk, but, as always, everyone will be different.
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