“BINO” Brexit in name only

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  • #133775 Reply
    Brydo

    Thought we could put Brexit behind us?

    More noises coming from the ERG, who started the Brexit ball rolling, that the recently agreed deal does not really achieve their  vision of Brexit.

    Looks like a campaign is up and running to get rid of BJ.

    Will this ever end?

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  • #133781 Reply
    Brydo

    Just read another article that say they back the deal, what is the truth?

    #133782 Reply
    Phaedra
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    God only knows 🙂

    I’m secretary for a target shooting club, we regularly place orders for reloading components with companies in Germany and Luxembourg, much cheaper (and usually faster delivery) than dealing with rip-off suppliers here in the UK.

    I emailed the two main ones asking what their position was with the Brexit deal now being reached.  Both have said they will no longer be willing to ship to the UK due to the increased amount of Customs and other associated paperwork etc. 🙁

    There's room for all God's creatures, right next to the mash and gravy 🙂

    #133791 Reply
    Georgie

    The ‘Christmas Turkey’ Deal – Half-baked, Hard to swallow, Satisfying nobody and Leaving a bitter taste.

    Just for an over-view of what Britain has lost by Leaving the EU, just Google

    “EU-UK relations big changes compared to benefits of EU membership”.  It’s a PDF.

    And then there’s Boris supposedly risking 99.6% of the proposed Trade Deal in order to ‘protect’ our Fishing Industry – worth 0.4% to the Economy.

    Brexiteers really didn’t realise this huge, flag-waving distraction was solely to draw attention away from all the other U-turns and Sell Outs:

    No was there would be a border between Eire and Northern Ireland = border between Eire/Ireland and mainland Britain (how long before Northern Ireland is reunified with the rest of Eire?);

    Financial Services losing £billions;

    No longer having to accept EU rules and Standards – except that if we want to Trade with the EU we have to (gasp!) accept EU rules and Standards;

    Exporters now tied up in endless red tape = extra costs = increased prices = less competitive compared to other EU suppliers;

    Reduced access to EU Security combined with NO system in place to check incoming lorries = Just wave 90% of them through for at least the next 6 months – Securing out borders by . . . having completely unsecured borders.

    #133793 Reply
    Georgie

    Or, for a more detailed description, try visiting

    https://ec.europa.eu/info/publications/eu-uk-trade-and-cooperation-agreement-new-relationship-big-changes-overview-consequences-and-benefits_en

    and Download the Download.

    It’s very informative, covering a lot of things that never quite got mentioned in the Daily Moan or Daily Excrescence.

    #133882 Reply
    Wigwam
    Participant

    UPDATE: Aldi has announced plans to increase the amount of food and drink it buys from British suppliers by £3.5 billion a year. The retailer is investing £500m in new & upgraded stores, distribution centres and its supply chain in 2021, which will create over 4,000 jobs #UKmfg🇬🇧

    #133886 Reply
    Georgie

    Woo-Hoo! Super cheap GERMAN supermarket offers even more cheap food to newly impoverished Brits.

    No doubt Lidl (also GERMAN-owned – the same family, in fact) will soon be following suit.

    #133924 Reply
    alan1302
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    Woo-Hoo! Super cheap GERMAN supermarket offers even more cheap food to newly impoverished Brits. No doubt Lidl (also GERMAN-owned – the same family, in fact) will soon be following suit.

    It’s good to see a big business invest in more British produce

    #134083 Reply
    alan1302
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    Thought we could put Brexit behind us

    We can now – it is done and dusted.

    #134108 Reply
    Wigwam
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    #134110 Reply
    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    What an interesting cartoon. Rule Britannia and all that. It is 2021?

    #134135 Reply
    Brydo

    Harking back to a time that will never be revisited, except, maybe, in the minds of those who see Brexit as a return to our colonial past.

    #134255 Reply
    Wigwam
    Participant

    Or it could just be a humorous cartoon…

    #134262 Reply
    mitch
    Participant

    no sense of humour these pc people.

    likewise the remainers, a large company wants to invest in the uk, particularly uk farmers and they deride it, because they lost the vote.

    i suppose they will trot out similar tropes if we negotiate deals with any of the commonwealth countries.

    which we should do asap seeing as we had to drop them when we joined the common market. one danger maybe that they wont want to sign a deal because of the harm us joining the eu did back then.

    #134269 Reply
    alan1302
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    no sense of humour these pc people. likewise the remainers, a large company wants to invest in the uk, particularly uk farmers and they deride it, because they lost the vote. i suppose they will trot out similar tropes if we negotiate deals with any of the commonwealth countries. which we should do asap seeing as we had to drop them when we joined the common market. one danger maybe that they wont want to sign a deal because of the harm us joining the eu did back then.

    Which large Commonwealth countries did we stop trading with then?

    #134275 Reply
    Brydo

    Mitch there are no winners or losers in this case, nobody knows whether we will be better off outside the EU either financially, culturally or any other “lly” lol. All we can do is hope that this works for the benefit of the general public because we will be the ones who suffer if it all goes t\££@ up. Boris, Nigel, Rees Moog will all be fine no matter how bad it gets.

    #134277 Reply
    Wigwam
    Participant

    I’ll fine too, because I’ll sleep at night knowing that despite whatever useless government we get, it’ll be ours to deal with democratically and not a technocratic monolith in Brussels which we are powerless to change.

    #134281 Reply
    alan1302
    Participant

    I’ll fine too, because I’ll sleep at night knowing that despite whatever useless government we get, it’ll be ours to deal with democratically and not a technocratic monolith in Brussels which we are powerless to change.

    The UK whilst a member of the EU had power of a veto which is rarely used…we had a lot of power to have made changes should the UK have wanted to but it chose not to.

    #134283 Reply
    Brydo

    Good to know you will sleep tonight after all those decades of insomnia 😂

    #134288 Reply
    mitch
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    actually the uk used its veto 9 times when it was available, part of the issue was that it could only be used over certain matters and in particular not over the budget or the common agricultural policy which was a particular gripe of successive governments as the french effectively ran the cap as its own private bank for its farmers.

    also when the uk joined the eu it had to adopt eu rules regarding trade with the commenwealth and deals with carribean countries and new zealand in particular were badly affected as they had to fall in line with french interests in the carribean and european lamb producers. so where we had previously dealt with the commonwealth on very favourable terms they had to change.

    #134290 Reply
    alan1302
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    actually the uk used its veto 9 times when it was available, part of the issue was that it could only be used over certain matters and in particular not over the budget or the common agricultural policy which was a particular gripe of successive governments as the french effectively ran the cap as its own private bank for its farmers. also when the uk joined the eu it had to adopt eu rules regarding trade with the commenwealth and deals with carribean countries and new zealand in particular were badly affected as they had to fall in line with french interests in the carribean and european lamb producers. so where we had previously dealt with the commonwealth on very favourable terms they had to change.

    9 times since 1974 – like I said it rarely used it – so that means generally the UK was happy with what was happing within the UK so now we are not in the EU why would you expect much to change when the government is happy with the way things are?

    Is there much money to be made via trade between the Caribbean and New Zealand?  Neither are huge markets compared to the EU?

    #134389 Reply
    mitch
    Participant

    the point now is alan we can trade with both, before we were restricted to terms negotiated by the eu to suit them not us. the main times we used the veto was when fr/ger were pushing for fiscal union via the euro and a unified tax system. so we could not make our own decisions regarding vat for example on female sanitary products.

    you also have to add in the rest, canada,australia, the indian sub continent a huge market that the eu got its wrist slapped for attempting deals contrary to international law yet we have negotiated a huge deal legally with them. to my mind the old common market free movement of people and goods was the good deal the rest the euro and their attempt to get a federal europe only really benefitted france and germany.

    #134436 Reply
    alan1302
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    to my mind the old common market free movement of people and goods was the good deal the rest the euro and their attempt to get a federal europe only really benefitted france and germany.

    Very much agree with that – started well and ended poorly and glad we are now out.

    #134443 Reply
    fwippers
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    After a long period following the referendum we now have a wonderful opportunity to embrace the benefits which life outside the EU brings. Of course there will be some bumps in the road as was indeed indicated by Michael Gove during the campaign.  Perhaps  future trade deals may see the return of the much missed Ssanyong Rexton W to motability. If that happens then nobody could argue against Brexit if we derive such benefits.

     

     

     

     

    #134544 Reply
    alan1302
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    After a long period following the referendum we now have a wonderful opportunity to embrace the benefits which life outside the EU brings. Of course there will be some bumps in the road as was indeed indicated by Michael Gove during the campaign. Perhaps future trade deals may see the return of the much missed Ssanyong Rexton W to motability. If that happens then nobody could argue against Brexit if we derive such benefits.

    Seeing as Ssanyong are currently in administration don’t hold you breath…and having a Ssangyong on Motability has nothing to do with Brexit.

    #134788 Reply
    Wigwam
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