Available vehicles

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  • #10047 Reply

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    I thought I would get the ball rolling on here and follow on from some comments which I have read on the previous comments section regarding the vehicles available on the scheme.
    I have a VW Tiguan through the scheme and have thoroughly enjoyed driving it over the last three years. So much so that the lease is currently extended in the hope that the, now not so, New Tiguan will be introduced shortly. For me the frustrating thing with the New Tiguan situation is the lack of information coming from either VW or Motability. I believe, or would hope, that the majority of us will understand that negotiations have to take place but surely these were going on before the range was updated or am I being naive? Ford have managed an update on the KUGA relatively painlessly it would appear. The same can be said of Suzuki, Honda and others. I have asked questions of both organisations and received very little back. Motability would only say that they were optimistic about the vehicle appearing soon but VW, reading between the lines, are taking no responsibility for the delay and blame the whole fiasco on Motability. The vast majority of people on the scheme I would assume, may be incorrectly, are similar to myself and have to plan long term in order to afford the advance payments on the vehicles we drive. So a little information would be of help even if it was to say for example definitely not Q1 2017 but definitely on scheme for Q2 2017. I fail to believe that the negotiations have not reached some common ground yet we as clients of both organisations are non the wiser.
    I am not sitting here kicking Motability because without this scheme I would be housebound and believe they do a terrific job at keeping us mobile but communication is everything in this digital World and some would be nice.

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  • #10123 Reply

    bungle

    I hope this is good news to some..i have just finished chatting to a lovely lady at motability on chat who has confirmed the cap is minus the tax rebate.This means the price on the dealers site is not the price cap total.the reply or some of it was this below:-

    *I just spoke to our pricing team and they confirmed that the cap amount does include VAT, so you don’t need to include it yourself when looking at prices.*

     

    #10128 Reply

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    Bungle, If the cap price includes the vat it is basically as we thought that any vehicle over the cap prices will not be on the scheme.

    If the cap price excluded the vat then basically not a lot would have changed as the £28,000 + vat and £29,500 + vat would mean we would be able to order cars up to the values of £33,600 for manuals and £35,400 for automatics.

    That means that as usual the price you see on the dealers web site is the price of the car as they are normally, for non trade vehicles, vat inclusive and you would not need to add the vat on to it to come to a final figure.

    #10129 Reply

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    I’m confused Bungle. In your first paragraph you’ve said that the cap is minus the VAT. In your second paragraph you’ve quoted the Motability lady as saying “the cap amount does include VAT”. As an example a £23,500 car has £4,700 VAT approx added to it price giving an RRP of approx £28,200. That isn’t good news as it confirms what we have already been told. Have I misunderstood your post?

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    #10130 Reply

    bungle

    I did think that so I asked her..this was her reply

    Jane: Currently, when we purchase a vehicle the VAT is included and not added onto the purchase price. So this should work the same way with the new the cap amounts.
    bungle: i see a car on the list today that is 34000
    bungle: and then i take 20% off
    bungle: it should in theory be still on the list 1st jan
    Jane:
    In theory yes. It could be worth speaking to the Dealers also as they are aware of the new price cap and may be able to make vehicle suggestions.

    #10132 Reply

    Guest
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    I wonder whether Jane knew what she was talking about Bungle? To announce a price cap to customers that is only a partial price, lacking the large component of VAT seems an unbelievably awkward way to conduct financial transactions.
    VAT is an addition of 20% tax on the price, so a £28,000 car would have £5,600 added, and a total RRP of £33,600. It’s tempting to subtract 20% from the RRP of £34,000 which would give you a figure oF £28,000. (I often do it that way to get a rough figure but there’s a £400 discrepancy).

    #10133 Reply

    joe london

    Typical mototbility answer, its not a, yes, prices will be capped, including vat. or no, prices will be less vat.. I think logic, says whatever the price is, it includes the vat element, car costs £32k Retail inclusive. it would get extremely complicated, deducting the vat element, adding any extras, let alone the tax accounting for dealers and such.

     

    #10135 Reply

    bungle

    Maybe one of you guys could also ask..it’s worth a try,maybe you can ask her or him.. but put it in a better way than me lol.

     

    #10146 Reply

    Paul

    Hi guys,I have spoke to motability and asked the question of vat,I was told that the cap is indeed RRP.so the lady said if the car for example had a rrp of £29500 and a penny! It wouldn’t be on the scheme.hope this information helps…

    #10148 Reply

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    Thanks Paul. I was just going to ring them, so you’ve saved me a job.

    #10153 Reply

    Guest
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    Hi all is anyone coming up with a standatised email/letter to send to our MP, I feel totally discriminated against having someone stating I’ve got to purchase a lower priced vehicle because im disabled, its my money I should be able to spend it as I choose.

    #10155 Reply

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    I’m inclined to wait and see how Q1 2017 works out, and then set a deadline of Q2 (April 2017) to see if Motability have learnt anything from the first quarter, and made any necessary adjustments to their new “Capping” policy. If by that stage we as a group of customers are dissatisfied with the way the scheme is working, we need to make our voice heard.

    Just my opinion.

    #10157 Reply

    Guest
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    Problem i see with that is those who need to get a car in the first quarter will lose out, possibly getting a car that they really are not happy with, they are then stuck with it for 3 years. I may be lucky as mine is due to be renewed towards the end of next year

    #10158 Reply

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    You make a fair point Jojo, but nothing that we do or say before the event, will change things. I’ve said elsewhere that the scheme is currently a lottery, and people who need to renew in the first quarter appear to be hard done by. I wonder whether these customers can apply for an extension to their current contracts while the dust settles?

    #10159 Reply

    Guest
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    You’re right they do. As im only on my first car im unsure how the extention works, don’t they have to take it for another two years?

    #10160 Reply

    Guest
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    The two year extension only applies if you have less than 15,000 miles on the clock at the end of your three year lease. However I’ve had an extension because the vehicle that I ordered eventually took eight months to build! I’ve also seen customers mention that they’ve got a short extension while waiting for the new version of their car to come onto the scheme. (this is just hearsay and I can’t verify it)

    #10163 Reply

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    Pops,
    I currently have an extension on my Tiguan of 6 months because I was waiting for the now not so New Tiguan. I was offered a year because of the vehicles condition and just touching 20,000 miles.

    I took the decision yesterday to place an order for a new Kuga ST-Line. Configured at 2.0L Automatic AWD with no extras. The vehicle would not be available in January at a cost of £31,700. I had looked at the Kuga previously and was with my neighbour when she changed hers recently on a private agreement. I took the decision because even if the new Tiguan comes on screen The SE Nav upwards would not be available.

    I have spoken with the motability specialist at my VW dealer and he is gobsmacked at what is happening. A direct quote “What genius thought that one up, are they out of their minds”? The same kind of response from the Ford dealer. Despite what motability told bungle, the dealers are totally unaware of a price cap being introduced on January 1st 2017.

    Jojo, can I just say that no-one is telling you that you cannot spend your PIP or DLA how you want to. I also felt a sense of discrimination, read my first post, but have looked at the figures. I will use this example; my neighbour has just collected a vehicle that has a purchase price of around £34,000. With servicing and insurance on the agreement she is paying £400 per month. That same vehicle I could have had on the scheme in exchange for my PIP mobility allowance. The only way that was possible was because of the discounts and deals that motability negotiate with the manufacture. Any of us are able to take our allowance and do with it as we wish including attempting to order a vehicle on a private agreement. I understand that we would all like to drive the higher end vehicles and in that we are no different to anyone else. Up until now I think we can all admit that the vehicles made available to us has been rather good. I for one have been driving a vehicle that I would find very hard to afford outside of the scheme. Yes it is disappointing that this decision has been made but we are still getting a good deal where we can have the use of a vehicle up to the values being discussed. This includes maintenance in the form of servicing, tyres and the changing of light bulbs and windscreen wipers etc at no cost. Personally I do not think that is so bad and yes I have been able to place myself in a higher end vehicle for the next three years but after that I will just have to change my expectations, that’s life and I will just have to deal with it the same way I do with everything else thrown at me.

    #10165 Reply

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    I have a BMW at present, i test drove loads before setting on this car, i have Fibromyalgia which causes me alot of pain, i found other vehicles very uncomfortable, so to me it wasn’t the higher end that made my decision, it was comfort so that i can travel around with the least amount of pain possible. As my husband is my full time carer we wouldn’t be able to get an agreement with a dealer direct, they obviously want those who work.

    #10166 Reply

    Guest
    Participant

    Jojo,
    I am not suggesting that your only decision was or is based on only high end vehicles. My point was, and not very well put, that at present there are 2,692 models on the scheme. And yes I am aware that this will change. We all have various reasons for ordering a particular vehicle. Mine is also excessive pain especially now when depressing a clutch pedal hence the automatic chosen. Due to a high burden of ill health, GP talk for well and truly knackered, I am unable to work or even get any distance from the house without a vehicle. If I am brutally honest with myself all I actually require is a vehicle that is High enough so that I do not have to bend getting in and and with seats that will support me while driving with sufficient room for my wheelchair. The previously mentioned automatic gearbox and 4 wheel drive because of where I live and although the 4 wheel drive is not always required when it is it makes all the difference.

    I would hope that after the dust has settled over these changes and with the government appearing to want to reduce the living costs of all disabled people, there will still be a significant range of vehicles that will fit all of our needs and requirements.
    I believe it is great for us all to be able to discuss these matters openly and candidly and after all this is only my opinion in a sea of many.

    #72288 Reply

    fwipperie
    Participant

    Interesting how the number of cars has fallen.

    #72469 Reply

    Wwishes
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    Hopefully at the end of next week I may be able to offer all wheelchair users a more viable alternative to the Motability scheme. It won’t suit some BUT could suit a LOT of people, especially those worried if they are going to be able to keep PIP. It seems a no brainer to me, I just need to make sure it works before I put my oar in.

    Watch my posts – I found out a LOT of info that I was unaware of. Fingers crossed that our car purchase goes through smoothly. 😉

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