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5 minute mega charging will be available soon and not for the price we all expect.
Coming in below the Model 3 pricing in China BYD’s Han L and Tang L are close to release in China with an 83kWh battery. That’s usually good for 300+ miles in WLTP terms for other cars with that capacity. Both cars use BYD’s blade battery and gas capability of charging from 2 chargers simultaneously or one Megawatt charger which are currently being rolled out to support the vast capacity of HGV BEVs.
https://insideevs.com/news/756144/byd-han-l-megawatt-charging/
I’d love to see the ‘inconvenience’ complaint for charging now.
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hey if the price is right and its as cheap as petrol then fine.
i cant charge at home so there is no way i am paying pulic charger rates. as it would almost double my current fuel bill. now that wouldnt break me but why would i deliberately increase my fuel bill?
that said if the ioniq 6 comes down further to below 1k ap on wpms by may 26 then i may just live with the cost lol. but the car would have to be tempting. mini jcw for 0 ap???? i wish.
Around Covid BYD said they would be looking to sell the Han in europe but, unlikely the UK due to our RHD. Five years have past since then and the new model is now out, so hopefully we’ll see it her, as it a lovely looking car Not as our charging network will keep up but thats another story.
@mitch, I can’t see charging at 350kWh x2 being particularly cheap, you’ll be looking at a hub for double charging.
@Rhodgie I agree there will always be something for someone to complain about.What’s not been mentioned is the popularity of occupying 2 chargers especially when there’s thousands travelling for their holidays.
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Assumng a theoretical max without losses of 350kW x 2, is still someway short of BYD’s suggested meggawatt charging capability. Even if we assume an average of 150kW charging in the UK and a theoretical 300kW max if two charging points are taken. You can imagine the uproar and possible fisty cuffs, if somebody pulled up and occupied two charging bays and oh the cost to charge!
Perhaps what this shows more than anything is how far advanced Chinese companies are becoming compared to europe and more importantly the UK. On the otherhand BYD have started rolling out these meggawatt chargers with more than 4,000 said be installed across China. Nio has 5 minutebattery swop stations and swop stations are available to class 2 & 3 HGV’s. Perhaps we really do live in a third world country!
I think the potential max of 700kWh is more of a demonstration of how far behind we are. The sad reality is that charger installation has been funded with minimum government backing, so the cheapest realistic solution has been offered with a claw back through the cost per kWh expected to take a very long time. Nobody is remotely considering the short term future needs let alone what needs to be available in a decade. When I got my first EV, 350kWh would have charged the battery in a record time except the car was only capable of 22kWh charging. Then 150 seemed decent and is still where a lot of cars are, which means the target charging time is kept to 30 ish minutes. Even with the 800V architecture that KIA/Hyundai/Genesis enjoy the theoretical 350KWH is a 16 minute charge. However, you need to find the right charger at a quiet time with a suitably conditioned battery to get there.
The thing that concerns me most about battery swapping, is what happens over time? After 90,000 miles does whatever holds the battery in place still hold it as securely? Is there a possibility of a swapped battery skidding down the road underneath the now coasting car? Afterall, we are very aware of the reputation Chinese manufacturing has.
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The thing that concerns me most about battery swapping, is what happens over time? After 90,000 miles does whatever holds the battery in place still hold it as securely? Is there a possibility of a swapped battery skidding down the road underneath the now coasting car? Afterall, we are very aware of the reputation Chinese manufacturing has.
I ook at China as producing both sh!t and good to excellent quality on par with the western world. When you look at european brands ranging from quality to crap toaster’s to coffee machine’s, TV’s to cars, battery cells etc choosing China as a manufacturing/production base, all can’t be that bad with the better quality stuff. For years TCL made LCD screens for Samsung, Volvo’s EX30 and Smart #1 are built in Zeekr factory on Zeekr’s platform. BMW ix3, Citreon C5x, Cupra Taviscan, Dacia Spring are all made in China and shipped back to europe
Back to the subject, as long as the correct torque is used when replacing the batteries, I see no long term problems.
https://insideevs.com/features/743263/battery-swapping-nio-ev-china/
What’s happened in the EV charging world is nothing short of a miracle. When we consider that EVs have only been available for a very short time and already we have cars that can go beyond 400miles on a single charge.
I remember, many years ago, phoning motability to ask why they didn’t have the 80 mile range Nissan Leaf on the scheme and look where we are now.
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Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.What’s happened in the EV charging world is nothing short of a miracle. When we consider that EVs have only been available for a very short time and already we have cars that can go beyond 400miles on a single charge. I remember, many years ago, phoning motability to ask why they didn’t have the 80 mile range Nissan Leaf on the scheme and look where we are now.
Cars have come a very long way.
Charging, and in particular the infrastructure, has followed. There’s the problem though. Cars are constantly being improved, as the consumer apparently wants 500 miles and 5 minute charging. That is going to call for a charging capability of extreme proportions. The immediate question really is whether 5 minute charging of vast capacity batteries really is necessary within the next 5 years.
The vast majority of travellers drive for less than 3 hours before needing a break. At a flat 70mph that’s 210 miles and many existing cars can pretty much cover that now. The realistic break time is 15-30 minutes. By the time you’ve parked, walked to the service station, found the toilets, had a wonder around the shop and got yourself another coffee, the car will have gained a lot of its charge back.
There are companies we should acknowledge for advancing our charging experience. When Electric Highway were responsible for the MSC charging network you’d be lucky if there were 2 chargers and it was near miraculous if they both worked. Thanks to Gridserve there’s are plenty of MSCs with a dozen chargers and they’ve a good reputation for keeping them working. They’ve also built their own hubs, which in turn encourages others to follow suit.
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The question is do you need really need a 500 mile range if you can charge in 5 mins. I say not really.
So in theory if 2 cars can charge in 30mins at 400v or at 800v 4 cars using 2 chargers. Then with 2 mega chargers 6 cars can charge in the same period of time. That is progress in the right direction and I’d rather see that, than bigger and heavier batteries. Although batteries also are getting lighter but still the same applies. At some point its just not practical for most and then their is the cost.
With 6 cars charging in the same time the company has the potential of making more revenue in the same amount of time. So is a win win.
Smaller batteries are lighter and more efficient than most ev’s with a bigger batteries, that are less efficient compared to smaller battery because of the added weight If you don’t require the range all the time, like most people don’t smaller batteries with faster charging times is better for all, and better for resources to.
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The question is do you need really need a 500 mile range if you can charge in 5 mins. I say not really. So in theory if 2 cars can charge in 30mins at 400v or at 800v 4 cars using 2 chargers. Then with 2 mega chargers 6 cars can charge in the same period of time. That is progress in the right direction and I’d rather see that, than bigger and heavier batteries. Although batteries also are getting lighter but still the same applies. At some point its just not practical for most and then their is the cost. With 6 cars charging in the same time the company has the potential of making more revenue in the same amount of time. So is a win win. Smaller batteries are lighter and more efficient than most ev’s with a bigger batteries, that are less efficient compared to smaller battery because of the added weight If you don’t require the range all the time, like most people don’t smaller batteries with faster charging times is better for all, and better for resources to.
If you want better for resources then I’ve always said we’re using the wrong figure to sell cars. Range is impressive but we don’t buy ICE based on the range, we don’t sell ICE on range, we do ask about MPG so why aren’t miles per kWh used as key statistics? MpkWh will tell you how far you get per £1 spent, they focus the mind on efficiency, which means the practice of chucking in more storage goes entirely against efficiency. Bigger batteries, more powerful motors so we don’t notice the impact that’s having. Sound familiar? Look through any company’s sales lists and you’ll see that as the kWh rises so does the kW used. You add 20kWh to the battery but that doesn’t automatically add range proportionally, you also add 30/40kW to the motor so that you don’t get complaints about the bigger range feeling comparatively sluggish. However, now the smaller battery does better per £1 than having the ability to drive 400 miles.
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Range is hypothetical, especially in a real world scenario with both ICE and in particular EV’s, due to the amount of variables that effect range, in comparison to once an ICE s at operating temperature and not to forget the speed the vehicle is travelling and its effect on mpg/mpkWh, so those 500 miles in reality will be more like 375 in the real world.
What manufacturers should be focusing on imo, is finding a better solution to the large variables in EV range throughout the seasons. and better optimum charging conditions. In reality the rest is soerted with 800v systems.
I think, if manufacturers come up with a battery capable of 350 miles regardless of the temperature, weather or at national speed limit, they would sell themselves.
@kezo mate, you do realise that ICE can’t do that either? There’s a drain on the electrical system for heating regardless of the fuel. There’s fuel inefficiencies due to temperature as much as storage inefficiencies in EVs.
This goes back to what I’m saying about marketing pointing out the most variable factor as a sales strategy. Telling all customers your car is capable of 400 miles doesn’t even take any level of intelligence to counter when you get in a car and the number in big numbers on the drivers display says something substantially different. Go for a test drive in an e5008 capable of 417 miles and the GoM states 298 you’re going to get an earful as a salesperson. Tell them they’ll get 4.8 miles for every kWh and nobody has a clue the GoM is gibberish.
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https://www.ft.com/content/b4c868aa-28e7-4f35-8357-88e59a4fa9c2
Interesting article about five minute charging here.
Daughters motability car Hyundai Tucson Ultimate self charging hybrid Serenity White Moss Grey interior.
My car SEAT Ibiza SE Tec 1.2 petrol TSI 2017.I may be behind a pay wall. It says CATL have overtaken BYD by giving a longer rage on a five minute charge.
Daughters motability car Hyundai Tucson Ultimate self charging hybrid Serenity White Moss Grey interior.
My car SEAT Ibiza SE Tec 1.2 petrol TSI 2017.No paywall
That said, by the time the UK gets suitable chargers (unlikely) BYD & CATL will have come out with new tech!
So its not like it’s going to add anything meaningful on this little island lol
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