£30 a month for petrol 8,000 miles per year, go PHEV.

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  • #166343 Reply
    brydo

    If your worried by range anxiety and don’t feel ready to full BEV get a PHEV.

    My daughter has a Range Rover Evoque, does average yearly mileage, most journeys are local, charges at home and only spends £30 per month, sometimes less, on fuel.

    We have some of the poorest people in the UK on notability so if you can, go EV.

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  • #166355 Reply
    Rene
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    At £30 petrol per month, the journeys aren’t mostly local, they’re mostly not local (or the Evoque does nowhere near what they’re advertising). The Evoque has 30ish miles electric range, that covers all local journeys.

    I did the math today because we’re currently stuck in the decision between an EV/ID3 and a PHEV/GTE, based on what we drove over the last 12 months with our ICE, and how much we paid in petrol over the last 12 months.

    We do drive less than 8000 miles a year, but the actual mileage doesn’t matter if we’re talking “price in petrol” – it’s the length of the journeys. Everything under (in the Evoque) 30ish miles doesn’t matter because it doesn’t use petrol. If you still burn over 20l of petrol each month, that’s a lot.

    Our numbers currently are the following, we paid £800 in petrol over the last 12 months (95% of journeys under 40 miles over the entire year – with eight journeys to hospitals in the last 12 months being over 40 miles). For those eight journeys (around 80 miles round trip, so 640ish miles give or take), based on current prices, it’s £80 to fill in petrol based on the mileage in the Ateca (in reality it’d be less in a PHEV because you still have the initial electric range, recuperation etc).

    Now, the Golf has (allegedly) 39 miles electric range, but it doesn’t matter – or shopping trips are 28 miles each, everything else that we drive (apart from the eight journeys) is less than that.

    In terms of actual numbers, our current petrol bill is as near as it makes no difference £800. Getting a PHEV without doing anything else (staying on our current electricity tariff, Octopus Flexible) would reduce our annual “mobility” cost to £378, which includes a £80 petrol charge added to account for the eight journeys. If we switch to Octopus Go, that goes down to £178 (this also includes a £80 petrol charge) – with the caveat that our normal electricity bill would go up by a bit (around £100 a year, since the price per kwh goes up a bit apart from the 4 hours at night. That can be reduced by doing our washing and tumbling between 00:30 and 04:30 as well. We’ll probably wash in the evening, fill the tumble and set a timer for it).

    So.. I agree with what you’re saying, i just wanted to point out that for someone who actually drives mostly local, the savings per annum are much higher than you suggest. Assuming mostly local driving.

    That’s probably the straw that brakes the camels back for us, we’d be saving around £80 a year in the ID3 over the GTE, assuming our behaviour in the last 12 months. That’s actually not enough for us to justify the ID3 over the GTE. Of course this skews rather quickly towards the ID3 if you do do longer journeys more often, but that’s not the case for us.

    edit: of course i understand that our math is a “best case” scenario, and that we likely will pay more than the £80 in petrol per year. But even if we double that, it’s £160 in petrol a year – still far away from what we currently pay.

    #166359 Reply
    Mike11

    That’s fantastic Brydo

    #166361 Reply
    kbfern

    The GTE plugin has a £3295 AP have you factored that into your cost, the ID3 was under £1500?

    #166362 Reply
    Michael

    Thanks Brydo, that’s really helped us make up our mind. Think we’re going to just go for it and order a BEV.

    #166363 Reply
    Wigwam

    Rene, regarding tumble drying at night to take advantage of cheaper rates, most kitchen machines have safety interlocks and unless they have built-in delay timers they can’t be used unattended.

    Our washing machine and tumble dryer (both a few years old) use push switches to start them and have no built in delay timers so can’t be set to go at night, but our dishwasher has a built in delay timer so it can. We also run a dehumidifier at night on a plug in-timer.

    #166384 Reply
    brydo

    Michael the grants for home wall chargers is changing for some. I would call motability to see if anything is changing on the scheme.

    #166391 Reply
    Rene
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    The GTE plugin has a £3295 AP have you factored that into your cost, the ID3 was under £1500?

    No, since it’s a comparison of running cost. Our GTE would indeed be £4500 AP (whereas our ID3 would be £2400 AP). This comparison is compatible with any plugin hybrid on the scheme currently though, including the Seat Leon e-Hybrid which is rather comparable to the Golf (just slightly less power) and cost £0 AP.

    Rene, regarding tumble drying at night to take advantage of cheaper rates, most kitchen machines have safety interlocks and unless they have built-in delay timers they can’t be used unattended.

    Ours (both 1 year old Samsung machines) both have delay timers, so that shouldn’t be an issue.

    #166557 Reply
    Littledave.

    Fine if you’ve got off street parking. PHEV pointless if not. Could probably cope with a full EV, but in reality, can’t be bothered with all the hanging around to recharge.

    Annual mileage low enough to not worry about fuel costs. In any case, cheap motoring won’t be around long for EV motoring. Impossible for government to do without fuel duties. One way or another, we’ll be paying to use our cars.

    #166558 Reply
    Brydo

    Dave the changes to the grant scheme give preference to people with NO off road parking. The grant to those who live in a detached, semi or terraced house with off road parking ends in April next year.

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