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Well, it means that over 200,000 Motability customers who do over 10k per annum will end up paying large amounts of excess mileage charge. This is clearly not fair if they’re using their car to commute to work or to attend multiple medical appointments each week.
2024 - BMW i4 Grand Coupe eDrive 35 Sport
2020 - Volvo XC40 T4 Inscription
2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicIs 75% are below 10k what’s big problem??
The problem is the extortionate 25p per mile for the 25% who do go over 10,000 miles.
Enyaq EV
To say on average 15k per person over the 3 years, of the 200,000 @25p per mile =£3750 each x 200,000 = £750m
The purpose of this charity funded by the government is to provide disability vehicles to people who qualify
This is a joke and with the government now taxing the crap out of cars ap and dictating what type of cars we can have, but they swan around in jags, range rovers and the like.
This needs a serious looking into now and a new fit for purpose method introducing.
To say on average 15k per person over the 3 years, of the 200,000 @25p per mile =£3750 each x 200,000 = £750m The purpose of this charity funded by the government is to provide disability vehicles to people who qualify This is a joke and with the government now taxing the crap out of cars ap and dictating what type of cars we can have, but they swan around in jags, range rovers and the like. This needs a serious looking into now and a new fit for purpose method introducing.
I agree with the sentiment, but to be clear, it was Motability who took the premium cars off the list, dropped the number available to 800 and imposed the mileage limit, higher APs and the ridiculous Drive Smart.
2024 - BMW i4 Grand Coupe eDrive 35 Sport
2020 - Volvo XC40 T4 Inscription
2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-Tronic….. and Motability couldn’t even be bothered to put up a fight and chose to roll over and make more changes.
The time will come when Motability is “means tested” just as the “grants” are now…….it will come when Labour are removed at the GE…………Farage is gunning for the Welfare budget.
It will hit probably the 25% who do the most mileage …..i’m guessing a little bit here but… high annual mileage is more likely linked to those in work travelling to their place of work.
So what party isn’t gunning for the welfare budget? Even that fantastic great leader Starmer tried to REFORM the welfare budget and Rayner will too if she takes over, you know, the one who bought her council house with a nice big discount then her party stopped anyone else form doing so.
Back on topic, though I do less than 10k a year I think 25p is just taking the proverbial and who knows they might be adding the 3p pay by the mile to that too.
The time will come when Motability is “means tested” just as the “grants” are now…….it will come when Labour are removed at the GE…………Farage is gunning for the Welfare budget. It will hit probably the 25% who do the most mileage …..i’m guessing a little bit here but… high annual mileage is more likely linked to those in work travelling to their place of work.
I do a fair bit more than 10k a year taking my daughter school and to the hospital and don’t use car for work.
The way things are going, the scheme will price itself out.
The 10k limit plus black box for under 30’s makes it totally unviable for me to stay with Motability. I’m actually looking forward to having the freedom to choose what I want to drive rather than the restriction of choice we currently have.
The 10k limit plus black box for under 30’s makes it totally unviable for me to stay with Motability. I’m actually looking forward to having the freedom to choose what I want to drive rather than the restriction of choice we currently have.
I vacated the scheme Tuesday just gone 🙂
The time will come when Motability is “means tested” just as the “grants” are now…….it will come when Labour are removed at the GE…………Farage is gunning for the Welfare budget. It will hit probably the 25% who do the most mileage …..i’m guessing a little bit here but… high annual mileage is more likely linked to those in work travelling to their place of work.
It won’t be Motability that will be means tested, it will be PIP (by any other name), with the backing of the populous, as it was back when I started work in 1980. That is what will bring down the Welfare budget, along with kicking people off entirely. As in Nazi Germany in the 1930’s, it will always be some section of society’s fault, at the moment it is the immigrants and the Disabled (“useless greedy mouths”and” life not worthy of life”, as the Nazi’s called us in the 1930’s) .
Motability changes won’t change the Welfare bill much, it is only being used as a Propaganda perception to make it look as if the Government is stamping down on all the alleged Motability abuse by free loaders and appealing to the Reform and Tory Party potential voters as well as Daily Mail type readers.
Of course not forgetting your voting wider family members, neighbors, friends and work colleagues who just resent you having a nice, new so called “free car” every three years, when they can’t.
Must wonder what motability Jane asked/ said to People doing early termination of lease…. IE are they asking why etc or must excepting it talking the money and saying good bye
Means testing PIP would be a nasty vindictive act, there are lots of disabled people who work and would therefore be excluded from getting PIP. The whole idea of PIP is to pay for the ADDITIONAL costs of being disabled, I can’t see them doing this.
I think the more likely target will be young people (who don’t vote in large enough numbers to worry Tory or Reform) and people with mental health problems.
Enyaq EV
The time will come when Motability is “means tested” just as the “grants” are now…….it will come when Labour are removed at the GE…………Farage is gunning for the Welfare budget. It will hit probably the 25% who do the most mileage …..i’m guessing a little bit here but… high annual mileage is more likely linked to those in work traveling to their place of work.
I agree in the long run it may well be “means tested” but I suspect much will happen to motorbility and PIP long before the GE and soon if they are allowed to get away with things
And this is why I have posted this
Make of it as you will as its just imo
The first BIG stepping stone to change for people/motorbility could well imo follow the so called Timms review
( PIP eligibility following the review may well tighten imo and that will be of no surprise to those who follow such things)
I say this because
All review actions taken by everyone so far are imo essentially irrelevant to any final outcome
( No matter what Timms says or anyone else who felt they were in any way involved)
ALL/Final Decisions come down to just one man at the end of the day)and its not Farage we need to worry about today its
Sweeney’s mate
A mate who has already made his “Blinkered welfare views” clear
That being
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Pat McFadden who has confirmed ( from the roof tops) that he holds the final decision-making power regarding the outcomes of the Timms Review of Personal Independence Payment (PIP). UK Parliament +1
While the review is co-chaired by Sir Stephen Timms (Minister for Social Security and Disability) and involves co-production with disabled people, the final recommendations will be submitted to McFadden for approval by autumn 2026Questions remain one of which is
If/when Starmer goes will he have to go to?
Time will tell and I feel we will all be a little bit wiser before Xmas
Means testing PIP would be a nasty vindictive act, there are lots of disabled people who work and would therefore be excluded from getting PIP. The whole idea of PIP is to pay for the ADDITIONAL costs of being disabled, I can’t see them doing this. I think the more likely target will be young people (who don’t vote in large enough numbers to worry Tory or Reform) and people with mental health problems.
I do agree that they will largely target young people, but unfortunately them and other innocent Disabled people will be caught in the tightening up of regulations, made to drastically reduce the Welfare Bill, as we have seen in Motability’s change in their rules.
As I said, this would not be unprecedented, I received Mobility Allowance (as it was called back then), from 1976 until I started work in 1980, however when I started work, they reduced the amount of Mobility allowance I was getting, as I was now working and earning a wage. Although this situation changed about 1981/82, I fear that it could be one of the things that could be being considered in the background and would not be difficult to sell to the populous.
I know this should be contrary to the philosophy of PIP, but how many times have you seen or heard the non Disabled, state that “if they can afford to put down large AP’s, then they do not need benefits and cars paid for by the tax payer in the first place and they should pay for their own cars like anyone else”. I worked for the DWP for 27 years (in the Social Security/Benefit Agency/Jobcentre Plus), so this is not just a wild guess, more a fear.
After what will be 11 happy motoring years, we will be leaving the scheme at the end of our current lease. 80% of the reason being the 10k limit. Other more minor reasons are being banned from ICE cars in 4yrs time, no access to used vehicles and ultimately feeling let down and financially squeezed by a scheme originally set up as a non-profit to help those in need have independent access to the world beyond their front door. The changes iver the last 3 years leave a bitter taste that makes our family very sad indeed. Take care.
They said the changes as a whole are because to not make them would mean an increase of circa £1100 per lease.
I’m guessing we wont be alone in leaving, as we do 18k a year just commuting to work, factor in appointments, and then days out or anything and we are approx 30k.
At 5p a mile excess we shoulder that knowing its our choice, and in all probability would have continued to under the new mileage restriction and paid the 3k (an increase of 1.5k) we will not, and cannot afford to pay 15k.
The issue really appears further down the line once people like me have left, and the extra burden will then need to be passed onto everyone else.
With regards to PIP being means tested, I guess that will mean divorce, and renting a 1 bed flat, as we already struggle living off a single wage and PIP with no extra help, which will end up costing even more for the government, due to UC, rent, council tax rebate etc etc.
Is 75% are below 10k what’s big problem??
You’re absolutely right. With one caveat though: Motability users like myself, who can earn more and as a result, pay much more taxes into the pot, but only if they’re ready to drive further, now have two options:
1. Stop working away and find something closer to home for less hours and significantly lower salary- lose to us and lose to HMRC.
2. To leave Motability.
The alternative of staying with the scheme and paying 0.25 x 15,000 extra miles x 3 years is simply not practical.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)With 75% of Motability customers BELOW 10K miles per year.
Motability are quite happy to to lose 25% of their customer base that are over 10K miles.
Squeezing the remaining customers with higher AP,s they are forcing more users out of the scheme.
It is all deliberately engineered to make people leave.
That’s one way to look at it.
I on the other hand see it differently, i understand that car prices went up by more than 50% over the last decade (unlike PIP), not including insurance that also went up 30 or so percent.
Insurance costs money. Extra mileage/coverage abroad costs extra money.
Meaning that people who didn’t do 15-20k miles a year substituted those people that do, which genuinely should’ve been changed decades ago.
Not necessarily in the same way they did now (offer two tiers: the new proposed mileage without coverage abroad, and an adjusted price for current mileage/coverage abroad) – but generally speaking, it absolutely makes sense.
Why DLM would incentivise people to leave the scheme, effectively destroying the biggest fleet operator (and biggest supplier of used cars to the market) is.. yeah i don’t know, that’s quite a stretch.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.14k on my Austral and I haven’t hit the 1st anniversary yet..!
I use it 3 days a week to work. Have another car for the other 2 to keep the milage down.
I’m going to sell that, use the Austral 5 days a week and it’s going back with 59k miles on it!!
The money for the next AP is going towards a W212/W213 E350 diesel merc…..
The purpose of this charity funded by the government is to provide disability vehicles to people who qualify This is a joke and with the government now taxing the crap out of cars ap and dictating what type of cars we can have, but they swan around in jags, range rovers and the like. This needs a serious looking into now and a new fit for purpose method introducing.
Motability Operations Ltd is a not for profit company owned by the 4 major clearing banks in the UK. They’re the part that handle all the car side of Motability. It’s not a charity, nor funded by the government. Unless, you want to class the higher rate of PIP/DLA. you use for Motability as government funded. The APs on the other hand are customer funded, or by the grant.
The Motability Foundation is the charitable side of Motability and they provide the grants for customers. They also, are not funded by the government, but by partners and donation events.
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